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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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Thing is, I bought a TA air cleaner for 1k
I asked about the condition, if it had any pitting etc, and I was tld it was used but in great shape and it had been repainted, it didnt come with the gasket.
Given the price was 1k with no gasket, and repros are like 800 new I assumed it was original....
I asked for a pic and the pic was very small...
and now I got it it pretty much looks like the whole thing is a repro....
So im trying to confirm if what I have is a repro or not....
I think the originals both the lids and the bases have a rolled lip on the outer edges....this one is just cut by the stamping tooling, not rolled. Am I right here or not?
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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06/15/09 08:38 PM
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I can take pics of my repo if you still need pics The lid is the wide lip one and the base from Ben Snowbar as well. I got one that he had with a scratch or dent 2-3 years ago. I also see the seals with the cuts on rear and sides. Does the cuts of the seal go on the passenger side? And is the tape for it repoped? Yes i have now high jacked ya thread  If ya need pics let me know.
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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06/15/09 09:06 PM
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Was the seller in FL?
Beat me to it Bruce. That was my question as well. How they are allowed to sell on this site (under multiple aliases as well) I don't understand.
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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06/15/09 10:04 PM
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Was the seller in FL?
Beat me to it Bruce. That was my question as well. How they are allowed to sell on this site (under multiple aliases as well) I don't understand.
This FL seller sells repro stuff on ebay as new continually??
Could you share the name please.
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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06/16/09 01:22 AM
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Another top view. Notice how the lip is beveled at an angle & not a 90 degree bend.
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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here's the lid. Someone must've cut out a piece of the lip to clear an ac compressor.
Looks like they cut it to clear the 2 speed wiper motor.
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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06/16/09 09:48 AM
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Looks like they cut it to clear the 2 speed wiper motor.
No, The lid would clear the 2 speed wiper motor without any problems. No need to notch it for that. Most AAR & TA came with 2 speed wipers.
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
[Re: autoxcuda]
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06/16/09 10:01 AM
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This FL seller sells repro stuff on ebay as new continually??
Could you share the name please.
Yes, they do. It's G&D muscle car parts, or something like that. It stands for Glen and Dana I think. They're around Jacksonville somewhere. I'm not sure why anyone would hesitate to post their name. I recently found that they're members of moparts, but they're still ripping us all off. They deserve the bad reputation.
I bought my reproduction AAR air cleaner from them on Ebay. They had advertised it as fully restored original. I confronted them about it and they offered to take it back if I paid shipping. They said they'd refund my money after they got the part, but how could I trust them to do that after they LIED to me the first time! I kept the part.
I looked at several of their other auctions since then. They're definitely con artists. I will NEVER purchase from them again. 
They are the only vendor that's ever ripped me off.
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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06/16/09 11:35 AM
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They are sneaky with all their descriptions. I called them on hemi pulleys. I asked them if they were real. They replied...Well, they look real to me. They were re-pops. Weasels.
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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Looks like they cut it to clear the 2 speed wiper motor.
No, The lid would clear the 2 speed wiper motor without any problems. No need to notch it for that. Most AAR & TA came with 2 speed wipers.
Tav
Ya your right I forgot about that.
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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06/16/09 01:32 PM
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They are sneaky with all their descriptions. I called them on hemi pulleys. I asked them if they were real. They replied...Well, they look real to me. They were re-pops. Weasels.
Gouge and Deceive
 I bought my air cleaner from them about 4 years ago I think, around when snobar first came out with them. G&D has been doing this WAY to long for it to be a mistake. They always seem to have one of those air cleaners listed on Ebay. Their constant supply of these would indicate they're getting them directly from Ben Snobar and reselling them, which would mean that G&D IS aware they're selling repos. Here's another one now...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/340-SIX-P...sQ5fAccessories
Note that the condition is listed as USED!
Sometimes I run across their auctions while looking for other parts on Ebay. Repro parts are often listed as restored original or NOS. The real parts that they have are often in poor shape with the description ramped up to make the part sound better.
Tav
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
[Re: domingo]
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06/16/09 02:48 PM
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Years ago{middle 90's} Dana sold me a six pack air cleaner 440 style that the hood seals to. I told him it was getting triple plated and I needed a good one with no rust. He sent a beat up rusted base and lid. When I called him he said I have to talk with Dad he was the one that sent it not me. I called back and talked with dad since they never called back and he said lay on primer thick in a few coats and it would paint up nice  Said the dents/bends would be an easy fix as well and it was worth the 300+ I paid and would not refund my $$$ if I sent it back. They have had the TA/AAR air cleaner on Ebay at 750 buy it now off and on it must be the one he sent you 
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
[Re: a12superbee]
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06/16/09 05:52 PM
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Well, talked to Dana and even though he is not refunding the cash he is going to throw some extra stuff on the 440 to make it more complete (complete head bolts, intake boltd, oil pan and whatever odds and ends he can he said), plus he is giving me an original 1970 HP 440 cast iron intake in compensation. He says the 440 looks OK with std bore and minimal ridge, crank looks ok, no pitting on the hp exhaust manifolds, 23 spline tranmission is a good used unit, etc. I told him all this stuff is coming to Peru so even if they are not new, they have to be good used parts....he is getting everything ready. Ill post when I get all the stuff.  Domingo
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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I really dont have many options...I have a car sitting in Miami, waiting to be shipped but it needs a 440 and 4 speed. They are close. Not many people are willing to ship a used 440.
I am giving them the chance to do things right. If not, you guys should hear about it here. If they do it right Ill post as well...this is my last post till I get the car and parts...
Domingo, You must like gambling. Hope it turns out.
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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I learned years ago those two are snakes.Amazing they still have teeth
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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06/17/09 02:05 PM
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I learned years ago those two are snakes.Amazing they still have teeth
I would rather do without than buy "ANYTHING" from those two! I don't know how much they sell but they have the same stuff at Carlisle year after year with the same insane prices.
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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I am a long time buyer of parts from them and I have had no problems with there parts. 100% happy with them. They are true and loyal to the Mopar world for a long time now. Thanks!!!!
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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06/18/09 07:21 AM
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I am a long time buyer of parts from them and I have had no problems with there parts. 100% happy with them. They are true and loyal to the Mopar world for a long time now. Thanks!!!!
 First thats funny.. Second could you be more obvious??
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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I am a long time buyer of parts from them and I have had no problems with there parts. 100% happy with them. They are true and loyal to the Mopar world for a long time now. Thanks!!!!
No,they are true and loyal to empty your pocket.Tell us what you bought.
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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06/18/09 10:47 AM
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Are you the gal with the big azz and legs in some of their ads?
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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Was the seller in FL?
Beat me to it Bruce. That was my question as well. How they are allowed to sell on this site (under multiple aliases as well) I don't understand.
Funny first thing I thought when I read this too....G & D in Florida..Still playing games with the repo's as originals  ....
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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Well, talked to Dana and even though he is not refunding the cash he is going to throw some extra stuff on the 440 to make it more complete (complete head bolts, intake boltd, oil pan and whatever odds and ends he can he said), plus he is giving me an original 1970 HP 440 cast iron intake in compensation. He says the 440 looks OK with std bore and minimal ridge, crank looks ok, no pitting on the hp exhaust manifolds, 23 spline tranmission is a good used unit, etc. I told him all this stuff is coming to Peru so even if they are not new, they have to be good used parts....he is getting everything ready. Ill post when I get all the stuff.
Domingo
Wow so he is throwin some bolts and an intake he probably couldn't give away let alone get $200 for..Great guy. I Don't think he is making it right and more than likely the block looks good to the naked eye wait till it's magged...He'll probably have to send a coil bracket then to match the Intake to make it right for the cracked block...I wouldn't be so naive about no-one knowing that was a repo.... 
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
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06/18/09 02:20 PM
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As promised, I am posting here the facts of the outcome of the whole deal, just as it happened without any added or altered facts: Well, the final outcome of this whole deal is that I ended up keeping the repro air cleaner missing the seal and block off plate for $1000 + shipping, when Ben Snobar sells the exact same COMPLETE setup for $840. Dana offered a full refund once I returned the part, to which I didnt agree because the part was already here with me in Lima, PERU (after adding all associated import costs, freight and taxes). Shipping it back would have only meant even more expenses to me. -And he knew this because I told him I was dissapointed ater receiving it because it I was hlding it in my hands in Peru while I talked over the phone with him- Dana refused to refund the cash difference of $1000-$840 = $160 + the price of the missing parts I had to purchase from Ben which added to just above $100 extra making for a grand total of $260. He said he would not be willing to do that. He said I could have a $260 credit towards a future purchase (which would be the 440 purchase). After some back and forth emailing Dana agreed to refund the $600 I had paid in advance for the 440 engine purchase, as I said I didn't wish to proceed with it due to some extra reasons which are specified below, an all the emailing that went back and forth like this (the emails are organized from last to first, so start from the bottom if you want to follow the cronological sequence of all the emailing): Quote:
from Domingo Cicirello <domingo426@gmail.com>
to floridaguyone <floridaguyone@yahoo.com>
date Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 1:01 PM
subject Re:
mailed-by gmail.com
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Follow up message
Dana,
I see you refunded the Pay Pal payment. Thanks.
I didnt want a full refund on the part because it was already in Peru with me, shipping it back would have only cost me even more money. I will find a use for this overpriced and incomplete reproduction, just not on my original TA or AAR.
What would have worked out for me was a refund of the excess I was charged for the part, I suggested it, but you didnt agree to that.
This is just to clear things up, I don't want, nor have the time to keep on going with this.
This is my last email as the issue has been resolved.
Best Regards,
Domingo Cicirello
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On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:37 PM, floridaguyone <floridaguyone@yahoo.com> wrote:
We are finished.I have a list of mopar dealers a mile long that say your nuts and I see that.I will pay pal you back on the engine at this moment.I offered you a refund on the air cleaner and you refused,I'm not sure what your deal is but I want no part of it.Please don't ever call or contact me again.We are done. Dana
--- On Thu, 6/18/09, Domingo Cicirello <domingo426@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Domingo Cicirello <domingo426@gmail.com>
Subject: Re:
To: "floridaguyone" <floridaguyone@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 10:59 AM
You know Dana...
We were discussing last night about all this whole deal, and then I get an email from you at 7am stating that I need to pay the balance for the order.
Now I get this email at 8am stating that you took the parts to the machine shop and had everything checked, and you are saying that one of the cylinders has a pit and that it has no cracks, etc. And that you are documenting eveything with this order. There would have been no time for you to haul all the stuff to that machine shop you are talking about, and to have everything checked properly -the way a reputable machine shop would do it-....even more, this is when you said you had almost everything wrapped up and ready to go. No machine shops work at night and most machine shops will open their doors at 8am or 9am aproximately. There would have been no time to do all of this and then get back to me via email.
You know what, I have decided I dont want to proceed with the purchase because it's not going as smoothly as I would have like it to go and I'm not happy about how things are being handled by you and your company -starting with the TA air cleaner deal, and now with this 440 engine purchase-
I am willing give you a chance to make up for the price difference on the TA air cleaner you sold me -without knowing it was a reproduction- on a future order, when the waters are calm again. Thats of course if you are willing to do it, because that is really just up to you.
Please I'd like to see the $600 reimbursed into my pay pal account today at the latest. If not I'd like our lawyer's to get in contact so they can solve this matter. I really don't have the time to keep going on this matter. I'll let our company's lawyer buffet handle the situation.
Hope we can work again in the future.
Best regards.
Domingo Cicirello
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:01 AM, floridaguyone <floridaguyone@yahoo.com> wrote:
We did take all the parts to the machine shop and had them checked,and they did notice a very tiny pit in one cylinder,its past piston travel,and they did assure me the block would need bored as we talked on the phone and there were no cracks,I am documenting everything with this order,pictures will also be taken with items straped on the pallet. Dana
--- On Thu, 6/18/09, Domingo Cicirello <domingo426@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Domingo Cicirello <domingo426@gmail.com>
Subject: Re:
To: "floridaguyone" <floridaguyone@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 2:04 AM
Dana,
I am sorry but I won't do that.
I only want to know if you want to go ahead with the ongoing 440 engine deal or not.
If you do, please let me know and I will send the $625 balance due tomorrow via western union.
If not, please reinburse the $600 I sent you via Pay Pal.
Best Regards,
Domingo Cicirello
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:42 AM, floridaguyone <floridaguyone@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am also a member and you started the thread and you will need to end it.I will not do anything else until that is taken care of,and no future threads will be started,you need to agree with that.I am not here to play games Domingo I am here to run my company.Please do what I have ask and everything will be fine.I know if I was unhappy with one of your products I would not run and start a post I would be a man about it and deal with you directly.I want both of us happy,so again please stop the thread and and have the moderator remove it. Thanks,Dana
--- On Thu, 6/18/09, Domingo Cicirello <domingo426@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Domingo Cicirello <domingo426@gmail.com>
Subject: Re:
To: "floridaguyone" <floridaguyone@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 12:47 AM
Dana,
If you think your best next move is to sue me, then just go ahead, but please don't threaten me, there is no need for it as in I havent done anything wrong.
If you want this thread cancelled
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...0&fpart=all
please contact that website (www.moparts.com) administrator. I do not manage that website, I'm just a regular user. I have no control, and no particular influence or bond with the website or their ownvers/aministrators other than being a regular user.
I have all recorded back and foth emailing between me and you/Amanda on the TA air cleaner deal and the ongoing 440 deal. Those are the FACTS that match exactly what I have stated on the forementioned moparts thread.
I'm calling my IT guy to capture that thread that's on moparts right now and certify it in case it gets erased from that website. I'ts being saved right now as I type.
I have all receipts made for payments to you recorded on Pay Pal for delievered, and also, yet underlivered merchandise.
Also, I'd like to continue with the ongoing 440 purchase, if you are also willing to continue with it, of course. I do plan on posting about my experience after the deal is finished and I receive the parts. I think it would be postive for you, as it would help shut the mouth of everyone that made negative comments about G&D on that thread.
If you dont want to proceed with the purchase please I'd like to see the $600 payment I did on Pay Pal be refunded. Please get back to me ASAP on this subject.
Best Regards,
Domingo Cicirello
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 11:06 PM, floridaguyone <floridaguyone@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi,
I just got off the phone with my lawyer and he said you need to have the website stop and delete the thread.If you do not do that I will need your address so that I can file charges against you for this.I've sued for slander in the past and won and I will do it again.Please contact me asap on this matter. Thanks,Dana
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What a piece of work. Hey, while you are at it sue me too.
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I think $260 was a small price to pay to put all this into evidence and keep other people from falling into the same situation. I'm sure I've saved some bucks to a lot of people that have read this thread. Having said that, I am getting my 440 engine and transmission from Tony D'Agostino. I have always purchased stuff from him, his prices are good, his parts are great and his descriptions are ALWAYS accurate. He is a guy you can depend on. I think he is the best source for NOS and used parts by far. 
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
[Re: cataclysm80]
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06/18/09 04:06 PM
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Gee, this Dana fellow sure shows his colors doesn't he?
I can't afford this.
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
[Re: domingo]
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06/18/09 04:44 PM
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Well, talked to Dana and even though he is not refunding the cash he is going to throw some extra stuff on the 440 to make it more complete (complete head bolts, intake boltd, oil pan and whatever odds and ends he can he said), plus he is giving me an original 1970 HP 440 cast iron intake in compensation. He says the 440 looks OK with std bore and minimal ridge, crank looks ok, no pitting on the hp exhaust manifolds, 23 spline tranmission is a good used unit, etc. I told him all this stuff is coming to Peru so even if they are not new, they have to be good used parts....he is getting everything ready. Ill post when I get all the stuff.
Domingo
WOW , he's GIVING you an original cast iron intake , what a guy , he's GIVING you an intake he's probably been trying to sell for years that's worth maybe 50 bucks ... I'm being generous ... D , he is TAKING ADVANTAGE of you , just like he does everyone else , because you are thousands of miles away .
edit .... didn't read down seeing what happened next ... D you are LUCKY he refuned the 600 , I was expecting to see he was going to keep it to pay the machine shop for doing all the checking of that block overnight ..
I'll say this your a freaking IDIOT if you ever buy anything from them after all this .
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
[Re: JohnRR]
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06/18/09 04:48 PM
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Well, talked to Dana and even though he is not refunding the cash he is going to throw some extra stuff on the 440 to make it more complete (complete head bolts, intake boltd, oil pan and whatever odds and ends he can he said), plus he is giving me an original 1970 HP 440 cast iron intake in compensation. He says the 440 looks OK with std bore and minimal ridge, crank looks ok, no pitting on the hp exhaust manifolds, 23 spline tranmission is a good used unit, etc. I told him all this stuff is coming to Peru so even if they are not new, they have to be good used parts....he is getting everything ready. Ill post when I get all the stuff.
Domingo
WOW , he's GIVING you an original cast iron intake , what a guy , he's GIVING you an intake he's probably been trying to sell for years that's worth maybe 50 bucks ... I'm being generous ... D , he is TAKING ADVANTAGE of you , just like he does everyone else , because you are thousands of miles away .
Maybe these guys went to the Frank Mitchell Charm School
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
[Re: JohnRR]
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06/18/09 05:27 PM
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Well, talked to Dana and even though he is not refunding the cash he is going to throw some extra stuff on the 440 to make it more complete (complete head bolts, intake boltd, oil pan and whatever odds and ends he can he said), plus he is giving me an original 1970 HP 440 cast iron intake in compensation. He says the 440 looks OK with std bore and minimal ridge, crank looks ok, no pitting on the hp exhaust manifolds, 23 spline tranmission is a good used unit, etc. I told him all this stuff is coming to Peru so even if they are not new, they have to be good used parts....he is getting everything ready. Ill post when I get all the stuff.
Domingo
WOW , he's GIVING you an original cast iron intake , what a guy , he's GIVING you an intake he's probably been trying to sell for years that's worth maybe 50 bucks ... I'm being generous ... D , he is TAKING ADVANTAGE of you , just like he does everyone else , because you are thousands of miles away .
edit .... didn't read down seeing what happened next ... D you are LUCKY he refuned the 600 , I was expecting to see he was going to keep it to pay the machine shop for doing all the checking of that block overnight ..
I'll say this your a freaking IDIOT if you ever buy anything from them after all this .
I was just playing the idiot to put all this into evidence. I knew I was risking the $600 but I thought it was worth it...and YES it was.
No I dont EVER plan on buying anything else from them, they are best to be avoided.
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND R
[Re: cataclysm80]
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06/18/09 05:52 PM
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They are sneaky with all their descriptions. I called them on hemi pulleys. I asked them if they were real. They replied...Well, they look real to me. They were re-pops. Weasels.
Gouge and Deceive
I bought my air cleaner from them about 4 years ago I think, around when snobar first came out with them. G&D has been doing this WAY to long for it to be a mistake. They always seem to have one of those air cleaners listed on Ebay. Their constant supply of these would indicate they're getting them directly from Ben Snobar and reselling them, which would mean that G&D IS aware they're selling repos. Here's another one now...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/340-SIX-P...sQ5fAccessories
Note that the condition is listed as USED!
Sometimes I run across their auctions while looking for other parts on Ebay. Repro parts are often listed as restored original or NOS. The real parts that they have are often in poor shape with the description ramped up to make the part sound better.
Tav
It's listed as new now... the scum with the big butt must be reading the posts here. You can report them to eBay if they are trying to sell repro as originals.
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND R
[Re: Lefty]
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06/18/09 06:13 PM
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I would contack the DA and FBI in Fl and let them know you were charged for an Org. and recieved a cheep repro{not realy cheap when ya thing about it } Item Specifics: - Parts & Accessories Changed Condition from Used to New 
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[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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06/18/09 11:17 PM
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The Warfels from Florida.........These guys have had lot's of rare mopar parts and cars over the years and know as much or more about them as anybody else. They flat out screwed Domingo on the air cleaner and should refund every penny involved including all freight, customs charges etc. Maybe they get a discount on the re-pop air cleaners and they probably make money selling them on e-bay and where ever. They know what the things are and if someone wants a refund because they scammed them then they should do it promptly. No excuses or B.S. about it.
Most people ignore their ads on e-bay but some don't.
Al & Sheila
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND R
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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06/19/09 11:02 AM
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I printed it out in case they try & sue anyone.
Anyone want scans? 
I also forwarded it to the IAATI & NICB the first day it was listed. 
Barry do these agency's take any action? I'm wondering if you do this for similar listings - I'm thinking of the Canadian seller who always is selling tags or sheets...........
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
[Re: AZ_A12_BEE]
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06/19/09 12:23 PM
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Well, talked to Dana and even though he is not refunding the cash he is going to throw some extra stuff on the 440 to make it more complete (complete head bolts, intake boltd, oil pan and whatever odds and ends he can he said), plus he is giving me an original 1970 HP 440 cast iron intake in compensation. He says the 440 looks OK with std bore and minimal ridge, crank looks ok, no pitting on the hp exhaust manifolds, 23 spline tranmission is a good used unit, etc. I told him all this stuff is coming to Peru so even if they are not new, they have to be good used parts....he is getting everything ready. Ill post when I get all the stuff.
Domingo
WOW , he's GIVING you an original cast iron intake , what a guy , he's GIVING you an intake he's probably been trying to sell for years that's worth maybe 50 bucks ... I'm being generous ... D , he is TAKING ADVANTAGE of you , just like he does everyone else , because you are thousands of miles away .
Maybe these guys went to the Frank Mitchell Charm School
Then they would have charged him $1600 instead $1000. 
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
[Re: domingo]
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06/19/09 12:49 PM
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OK guys.....this is the pic they sent me when I was buying the air cleaner. Looks pretty original doesnt it??? Now, just before they sent it they said it had been repainted. When I get it turns out it was a BRAND NEW repro from Ben Snobar (which is great quality -dont get me wrong-) its just not what I wanted to purchase...I wanted an original part....And I was charged dearly for it... Do you guys think they actually repainted it b4 shipping it to me???   
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND R
[Re: ErikR]
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06/19/09 12:50 PM
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I printed it out in case they try & sue anyone.
Anyone want scans?
I also forwarded it to the IAATI & NICB the first day it was listed.
Barry do these agency's take any action? I'm wondering if you do this for similar listings - I'm thinking of the Canadian seller who always is selling tags or sheets...........
I'd guess they keep the # on file in case they ever run across a car with that #, so that they'll know to investigate further.
Just a guess.
Tav
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
[Re: domingo]
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06/19/09 01:03 PM
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OK guys.....this is the pic they sent me when I was buying the air cleaner.
Looks pretty original doesnt it???
[image]https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/upload2/5302693-taaircleaner..bmp[/image]
Now, just before they sent it they said it had been repainted.
When I get it turns out it was a brand new repro from Ben Snobar (which is great quality -dont get me wrong-) its just not what I wanted to purchase...I wanted an original part.
Do you guys think they actually repainted it b4 shipping it to me???
WOW! that's like a flashback. I think that's the same pic they used on my auction 4 years ago. Must be a stock photo for them.
They said in my auction that it was a before pic and that it had been restored now. When I got it, if you looked closely at the lid, you could see marks on the surface where it looked like it had been in a plastic bag for a while. Sometimes you'll see marks like that on new parts that are stored in plastic bags with a little oil or something to keep rust at bay. The lid wasn't in a plastic bag when they sent it to me though. Looked like it was a new part that they took out of the package and mailed to me. That was the first thing that made me wonder if they had lied to me.
Tav
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
[Re: domingo]
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06/19/09 01:17 PM
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OK guys.....this is the pic they sent me when I was buying the air cleaner.
Looks pretty original doesnt it???
Now, just before they sent it they said it had been repainted.
When I get it turns out it was a BRAND NEW repro from Ben Snobar (which is great quality -dont get me wrong-) its just not what I wanted to purchase...I wanted an original part....And I was charged dearly for it...
Do you guys think they actually repainted it b4 shipping it to me???
No , it comes from Snobar painted , is that the top you got , the one in the picture ?
They may have learned listing tactics on this from Snobar , he was passing of his REPOP A12 air cleaners as ORIGINAL RESTORED before they cat got let out of the bag .
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
[Re: mccannix]
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06/19/09 03:30 PM
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I highly doubt that is the top you got.
Pictured is likely the repro base and a used lid with their crooked decals.
Then when you get everything the lid is a new repro as well as the base, both supposedly repainted.
I guess you could drop the 'c' in decals and still use the same phrase above
Thats funny!!!!!!
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND R
[Re: ErikR]
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06/19/09 07:33 PM
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I printed it out in case they try & sue anyone.
Anyone want scans?
I also forwarded it to the IAATI & NICB the first day it was listed.
Barry do these agency's take any action? I'm wondering if you do this for similar listings - I'm thinking of the Canadian seller who always is selling tags or sheets...........
Erik,
I do. Quebec has VERY lax laws on this though. I still keep the agencies informed. In some cases, they can actually block the VIN from ever being registered or insured inside the US.
Barry
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND R
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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06/19/09 09:19 PM
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So let me get this straight. These guys continually fleece the Mopar market and continue to be allowed to post on Moparts, while others who add a lot of value to the hobby and share good data get banned?
Does anyone else think that's a bit odd?
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1987 Grand National (422rwhp/566tq)> TurboBuick.com
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2008 Gary Fisher HiFi Plus 29er > MTBR.com
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND R
[Re: JohnRR]
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06/20/09 01:20 PM
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So let me get this straight. These guys continually fleece the Mopar market and continue to be allowed to post on Moparts, while others who add a lot of value to the hobby and share good data get banned?
Does anyone else think that's a bit odd?
since they aren't a paying sponsor that explains why this thread is still running ...
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
[Re: Triggerfish]
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06/20/09 01:57 PM
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here's the lid. Someone must've cut out a piece of the lip to clear an ac compressor.
Triggerfish, that lid has been cut to clear the wiper motor on an A-body.
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[Re: 69_SIX_PACK]
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06/20/09 08:11 PM
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Funny how you can get caught misrepresenting something and then call yourself the victim.
I would never buy something from someone who uses deception to sell.
Dave
it's funny how the guy who gets screwed is always made out to be the "bad guy". You'll find them everywhere. Key is LEARN from it and move on.. 
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
[Re: QuickBpBp]
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06/20/09 08:23 PM
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Before saying anything, I want to state that this is my last post on this thread. This is the last email I received from Dana today after a couple days of silence. I can't believe the way the guy goes back and forth on what he says. I thought he said he never wanted me to contact him ever again??? Needless to say, I didnt reply. I AM THE ONE THAT DOESNT WANT TO CONTACT HIM EVER AGAIN. Not worth my time. I don't want to deal with them EVER again. Not even for trying to get my money back...Im done with them. Funny how he is all nice and willing to help now, after he was threatening with suing me a couple days ago. Guess somebody realized he screwed up big time, now that everybody know whats their way of dealing with customers. And please take note that I'm not the only one who has had unpleaseant buying experiences with G&D. The posts from other members preceding this one speak for themselves. Quote:
Domingo,
I have been trying to resolve this from the start and still want to resolve it,when you told me on the phone that you were not 100% happy I offered you a refund and that offer still stands,What can we do as I want to know.If you want to keep the air cleaner what can we do.I wanted you happy from the start and I want you happy today. Dana
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND R
[Re: domingo]
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06/20/09 10:18 PM
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What a freak show....  " Go on take the money and run.."
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND R
[Re: sg333e]
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So let me get this straight. These guys continually fleece the Mopar market and continue to be allowed to post on Moparts, while others who add a lot of value to the hobby and share good data get banned?
Does anyone else think that's a bit odd?
Yup!
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
[Re: flypaper]
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06/21/09 11:21 AM
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They either figured out 1) prosecuting any such action across international borders would be difficult/impossible and 2) they are losing a good percentage of profit with the truth coming out just before Carlisle. Those are the only reasons I can cite for their sudden retraction.
I stand by my earlier statement about the viability of thier posts vs. others. And why is this not sticky any longer?
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2008 BMW 335 TT 6MT> E90Post.com
2008 Gary Fisher HiFi Plus 29er > MTBR.com
2008 German Shorthair Pointer > Shorthairs.net
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Re: DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ORIGINAL TA AIR CLEANER AND REPRO
[Re: domingo]
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06/22/09 10:16 PM
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YES, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN YOUR FIRST CLUE, CAN'T BE TOO MANY PEOPLE FROM ORANGE PK FL SPEAKING IN ALL CAPS I SUPPOSE.
THEIR MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER MAKES ME THANKFUL I NEVER BID ON ANY OF THEIR EBAY STUFF.
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1987 Grand National (422rwhp/566tq)> TurboBuick.com
2008 BMW 335 TT 6MT> E90Post.com
2008 Gary Fisher HiFi Plus 29er > MTBR.com
2008 German Shorthair Pointer > Shorthairs.net
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[Re: QuickBpBp]
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11/01/10 12:17 PM
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Before saying anything, I want to state that this is my last post on this thread.
Domingo I know it's been awhile since this thread started but you forgot on page 2 what you wrote...
Just kidding. Thanks for bringing it up again it was a great read on how NOT to conduct Business!!!
Hope you got all you needed in the meantime.
Yes, I should have re read that...LOL!
Just wanted to give a heads up to everybody once again.
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[Re: domingo]
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11/01/10 04:35 PM
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Let me get this straight....
Dana has a Girlfriend?
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Don't want to know. The original one that was supposed to come with my car was burnt up in barn fire before I could get it. 
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