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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: 71redcuda]
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04/01/11 09:51 AM
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I think the 1B159 block looks ok but the three last numbers locks wrong.
I have a few more pictures if someone is intrested..
Owned in the 90`s by Ed Briggs.The car was restored 2002-2005 by 2 brothers in Fort Wayne,Indiana. Tom and Jeff Ruble. When the car was finished it was bought by Gary S,work/worked on Atlantamusclecars.Gary sold the car in 2006 to a guy in Romeo,Michigan.
One of those 2 items is a restamp, the fact that there are different fonts on at least one number tells you that the same tooling was not used. As Scott said they were stamped within minutes of each other by the same person with the same tool. ...
Unless of course it was UNION break time , the guy stamped the engine , put down the tool and someone else took the tool during break so the original guy had to go to the tool room and get a new stamp set and start over ....
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: JohnRR]
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04/01/11 10:15 AM
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I think the 1B159 block looks ok but the three last numbers locks wrong.
I have a few more pictures if someone is intrested..
Owned in the 90`s by Ed Briggs.The car was restored 2002-2005 by 2 brothers in Fort Wayne,Indiana. Tom and Jeff Ruble. When the car was finished it was bought by Gary S,work/worked on Atlantamusclecars.Gary sold the car in 2006 to a guy in Romeo,Michigan.
One of those 2 items is a restamp, the fact that there are different fonts on at least one number tells you that the same tooling was not used. As Scott said they were stamped within minutes of each other by the same person with the same tool. ...
Unless of course it was UNION break time , the guy stamped the engine , put down the tool and someone else took the tool during break so the original guy had to go to the tool room and get a new stamp set and start over ....
Who knows,but that is probobly not what happened..
Lucky for me i will keep the car..But it had been good if i had all this VIN-stamp info back in 2008.But i was 20 years old then and you learn something new every day..
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: Mopar_Mike]
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04/01/11 12:29 PM
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Buy 1967 Cars (see below) We Don't Need No Stinkin VIN!!
No, but you typically DO NEED some other markings, stampings, and casting dates to be right if you want to call it "correct".
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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04/02/11 11:51 PM
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*WARNING NOT A MOPAR** But at 4:38 you can see the tool in use that everyone is talking about and see how there could be so many differences with its location. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YII-h21xJvw
I was asked to contribute money to help solve the civil unrest in Egypt, but I suspect it's some sort of pyramid scheme.
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: jacb]
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07/19/14 09:06 PM
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From 1993-1998, I worked in an aluminum founder. We made parts for the big 3, cat, detroit, etc. All finished casting atleast had a date stamp as a minimum. The tool was a simple hand stamp similar to the one pictured above. The tool crib carried the single stamps that was taken out a simple cotter pin, replaced with the new # or #'s, then the cotter pin was reinstalled and was set to go. The stamps would wear out, and the stamp holder would sometimes be loose so the stamps would wiggle around from general usage. When stamping, the rock back and forth leaving a dull or 1/2 stamp. Line workers didn't really care, just another step in the process. http://www.mcmaster.com/#metal-stamps/=sws3ibI'd say double stamping, etc, was common. Not getting a good stamp the 1st time, then trying again to make it more legible. Or, inspection dept, (which was the dept. I was in) would have to look for things and re-stamp ourselves. Sometimes, with an older stamp set because we normally didn't (or shouldn't) have to use it that much.
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: cdp]
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07/20/14 06:54 PM
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Having worked for a number of years in a "factory" type of setting with "factory" type of workers most (but not all) of them are there for the paycheck only. Their mantra was "they don't pay me enough money to think" and "I don't work for the effen company, I work for the union." So if the line supervisor said something MUST be done a certain way some of the guys would NOT do it that way just to show they can't be ordered around (like stamping numbers in a straight line.) My dad taught me to always do the job right, always do what the boss said in the way he said and to always give just a little more than what the boss expected. It was good advice then and it still is. I can just imagine what kind of work was produced on Mondays after a weekend of heavy drinking and toking on some Mary Jane!  Benji
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: ogopogo]
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07/22/14 09:35 PM
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I have an original paint challenger project car I bought about 10 yrs ago,LA built.the #s are all messed up on the car.
vin tag and original door sticker read: 210854
cowl and rad support read 211854
transmission reads 210854 but last two numbers are stamped over top of original #s which read "71" .challenger # 210871 is registered with galen and has its #s trans still.
motor is the worst,it is stamped 220154
all research(previous owner history) indicates this is the original engine from the car...................
Is there a logical explanation for how a car could be so screwed up?
Its just a 4 barrel wedge car so not valuable.
YEP..drunk after lunch...
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: ph23vo]
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07/23/14 12:19 AM
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When someone goes to prison for a long time after selling a fake --restamped car to a Federal Judge or guy rich and po'd enough to make it happen then....this hobby may change but until then sellers want it to be good / buyers also WANT to believe and truth is that this buying/selling is not a hobby but a very unregulated business with potential high profits. Crooks will take advantage. Problem as I see it are the cars that have been bought/sold and represented by nationally known market places and after advertised-bought-sold- as GOOD they are good for life. Well .....what to do about that. We all know cars that are fakes--All of us have seen or know first hand about them--so if you blow the whistle to save the hobby will you get sued by the current owner as he protects his "investment"? Right.......Can you Prove it is fake? In court? Probably no more than they can its real but you get the picture. Morel here is most are probably fake and until we have a nationally recognized certification ---ugh wait a minute ...wasn't that called Bloomington Gold? And ....we all know of fake Vettes that have the Gold er ugh.....oh well Buyer Beware ( that car is a fraud dude) 
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07/24/14 06:11 PM
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: hemiviper588]
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07/25/14 12:26 PM
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Last one
Interesting pics! Thanks for sharing!
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