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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: 70HemiGTX]
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03/27/11 11:44 AM
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Were the blocks, trans, rad. support, and the trunk seal lip all stamped at the same time? I have thought about this before, but never saw anything posted anywhere. You would think this would make sense, because I assumed they would make a "stamp pad" up with the numbers on and slam it into all needing areas at once, then change the next # for the next car and just keep going. Maybe I'm totally wrong also. 
No they were not, the body was stamped before it was painted , the engine and trans were in a different part of the plant. They used different fonts for some digits , like the 6 and 1
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: JohnRR]
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03/27/11 12:14 PM
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No they were not, the body was stamped before it was painted , the engine and trans were in a different part of the plant. They used different fonts for some digits , like the 6 and 1
Yep, and the engine ID top pad stampings were done at a different location (engine assembly area) and accordingly, done with a different set of stamping dies than the application of the VIN sequence stamping (assembly line) as well.
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
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03/27/11 03:17 PM
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It's tough to stamp an engine block or transmission correctly after a 12 pack of beer and/or a couple of joints at the factory.
I never fail to get a kick out of reading these types of threads where our resident experts authoritatively try to determine with 100% accuracy what happened 40 odd years ago in a distant factory -- particularly when they themselves were never in one!
The author above has accurately described my own recollections of working in the mid-late 1970s at Chevrolet Metal Fabricating, Buick Final Assembly and Fisher Body in Flint, Michigan. While I readily admit the details I observed in those GM factories likely differ from those found at Chrysler, I bet they don't differ that substantially. The general state of the blue collar, auto industry at that time was the same everywhere.
As such, it is difficult to see how anyone can authoritatively state that anything coming from those factories was either possible or impossible back then. Yes, you can know what the company's policies were. Yes, you can talk to the old timers who worked the line. But in the end, what happened each day out on the line was inconsistent at best. There was a lame effort at quality control, but it never got close to producing 100% positive results at anything! General statements about what we think likely happened at the factory are the best we can do.
Obvious fraud needs to be called out when seen, but be careful about what you definitively state. These discussions almost always end up putting a cloud of suspicion over the car in question. That's appropriate in cases of obvious fraud, but financially damaging to those whose only crime is that they happen to have a car built by a factory line worker who went out to his car for lunch that day and had a couple beers and a joint. DAMHIK... 
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: LimeliteAero]
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03/27/11 08:47 PM
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regarding the issue of trans vs engine with the numbers not be in the same alignment.
Isnt it possible the production line worker saw the mis-alignment and corrected it before stamping the matching item?
On the trans, I believe that you are 100% right on that. The misplaced 7 probably was not deep enough, so they stamped it by hand separately. I had to do it myself at a previous job.
The block, I believe, was not done by ma-mopar. Too wide, too tall, etc. The machined pad being "too deep" I don't believe is true. It could be core shift, machine set up, etc., during original manufacturing. That doesn't necessarily mean it couldn't have been done at a dealership, etc., for a factory replacement. But, I'd be willing to bet 99% of the replacement motors were never stamped.
I worked for Stahl's Specialty aluminum foundry from 1993-1998 in the quality conrtol department.
The automatic stamping machines had their stamps changed out every shift. If a stamp was getting worn, allot of the times they would shim it to get more use. Which causes 1 stamp to gouge deeper into the metal than the rest, or sometimes, they would do nothing, and a few characters would be very faint.
I'd say 80% of the products were hand stamped. Replacement stamps were kept in the tool crib and workers would change out and return letters/stamps every day for the correct ones they needed. There was obvious room for human error, but the 1st thing for the day as an inspector was to check all the lines for correct dates/part #'s.
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: ph23vo]
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03/28/11 01:03 AM
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so what do you think happened? the cast date is 11/18/68! dan
I agree with Scott and have one like that in my collection. I'll try to post some pics.
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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03/28/11 02:02 AM
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Dan the star is likely a line worker or inspectors mark which is likely there due to the re-stamp.
So my car doesn't have the original motor. If I restamp the pad and ad a star, am I good?
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: JohnRR]
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03/28/11 09:45 AM
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Were the blocks, trans, rad. support, and the trunk seal lip all stamped at the same time? I have thought about this before, but never saw anything posted anywhere. You would think this would make sense, because I assumed they would make a "stamp pad" up with the numbers on and slam it into all needing areas at once, then change the next # for the next car and just keep going. Maybe I'm totally wrong also.
No they were not, the body was stamped before it was painted , the engine and trans were in a different part of the plant. They used different fonts for some digits , like the 6 and 1
Yea, I should have thought of that. Old age...
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: ph23vo]
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03/28/11 11:11 AM
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pad kinda hard to read some idiot hit it with a pretty heavy grinder to clean it off sometime..
The idiot was probably the guy that repaired and replaced whatever was wrong and needed to change that E to an F ?
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: pacifica]
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03/28/11 11:12 AM
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Dan the star is likely a line worker or inspectors mark which is likely there due to the re-stamp.
So my car doesn't have the original motor. If I restamp the pad and ad a star, am I good?
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: JohnRR]
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03/28/11 05:36 PM
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The strangest factory VIN stamping I've seen. This is out of my Charger that my dad bought new, so there's no doubt about it's originality.
Last edited by Paul Jacobs; 03/28/11 05:36 PM.
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: Paul Jacobs]
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03/28/11 05:38 PM
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Some more REAL stuff.
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