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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: 70440+6bbl]
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06/10/09 02:12 PM
06/10/09 02:12 PM
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ScottSmith_Harms
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How about this one- it is the 18 spline trans out of my '70 V-code 'Cuda and it has no VIN stamping. I have ownership history going back to the mid-'70's and so far, nobody remembers the tranny ever being changed out for another. The trans build date is Nov 5th '69., which also happens to be my cars SPD (B05).
The problem you have is that regardless of how far back it goes the ownership history is incomplete, as are the memories of past owners you do know. At this point I'd tend to go with "replacement" but it's POSSIBLE that it is the original and was never stamped, just not very likely, and without proof few will believe it when it comes selling time.
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: LimeliteAero]
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06/10/09 03:03 PM
06/10/09 03:03 PM
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regarding the issue of trans vs engine with the numbers not be in the same alignment.
Isnt it possible the production line worker saw the mis-alignment and corrected it before stamping the matching item?
That would imply some kind of "Quality Control"....   ........ah, I'm think that may not have happened back then 
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: BulletBob]
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06/11/09 09:24 PM
06/11/09 09:24 PM
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So in 1971 on Cudas and Challengers Chrysler used a machine to roll the numbers onto the motor and transmission. Does anyone have any picturs of such a piece of machinery. I ask this because I was wondering just what the machine looked like to be able to be held against the motor and later the transmission so the rolled press would happen. If there was not a way to hold this machine against the motor and then the transmission then there would be not enough pressure to complete the stamping.
I have seen the stamp or punch that was used via changing the numbers and hitting the punch with a hammer. I can see by going to the 1B###### you would only have to have one punch in 1971. Other years that use complete VINS would have to have many punches or have the ability to change not only the numbers but the letter. Example RS,RM,WS,WM
1971 HEMI E BODY REGISTRY
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: rayztoy]
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06/12/09 07:25 PM
06/12/09 07:25 PM
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mccannix
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Some on this thread have said the dealership stamped warranty blocks. I've been to over 100 dealerships over the years from 1975 into the 90's... in their stockrooms, upstairs, downstairs... all over. A couple members here have been to more dealerships than me I'm sure. In my travels I've yet to stumble onto anything that resembles any stamps in dealership inventory. There is no part number that exists for such, so where did they come from. Was there a bulletin telling the dealerships told to go to Napa or somewhere and buy stamps if needed.  Perhaps they were kept in the vault.
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Re: VIN Stamping: MYTH or FACT
[Re: mccannix]
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06/12/09 08:12 PM
06/12/09 08:12 PM
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Some on this thread have said the dealership stamped warranty blocks.
I've been to over 100 dealerships over the years from 1975 into the 90's... in their stockrooms, upstairs, downstairs... all over.
A couple members here have been to more dealerships than me I'm sure.
In my travels I've yet to stumble onto anything that resembles any stamps in dealership inventory.
There is no part number that exists for such, so where did they come from.
Was there a bulletin telling the dealerships told to go to Napa or somewhere and buy stamps if needed.
Perhaps they were kept in the vault.
Actually number and letter stamp sets are pretty common and I know many machanics and machine shop guys that have their own personal sets in their tool chests or tool boxes. We have four sets here alone at work and even a pneumatic engraver for motorcycle frames so I don't see why a dealerships service department wouldn't have a set or access to a set if it was required by State law to I.D. stamp something if replaced? Complete sets are only $60 - $200 on average so it's not out of reach for a good professional service shop IMO.
I know first hand that in California if for instance a replaced motorcycle engine is not stamped with the original engine number that is on the title the entire motorcycle is conficated and considered stolen even on a dirt bike. I had to explain this to a CHP officer that sometimes dirt bike engine cases are damaged beyond repair and replaced with even a used set but this didn't matter and it didn't match the title and what made it worse the kid that owned it was the nephew of a Sheriff he knew. So if it is required to restamp a replaced engine in a State then it better be done.
Individual or complete sets not too costly......
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