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Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies???
[Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE]
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06/05/09 11:52 AM
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Sorry to hear you guys had issues with the PSO deal. Those heads seem like a good piece for sure would have like to see what the true potential of them is. FWIW the engine in my car went 8.66 in Chris's car at 3400+ as well on its 3rd full race pass. Then I bought it.
As for numbers from my car, they dont mean as much, it is an apples and oranges comparison as my heap is in no way like either Chris' or Chuck's(one of my favorites here), or Steff's cars. It does run 10+mph faster in my car and is .5+ quicker than it was in Chris' but it is also not in it's power band either now with my glide and gearing. My car is 2860 right now.
I guess ultimately the question here has been answered, when spraying an engine ANY of the aforementioned heads will get what he wants. It has been proven over and over again that on the bottle anything from a -1 head on "up" will make that kind of power. Look at what Wes did with the Dart, a solid 900+hp piece then add the bottle and go racing...WoooHooo
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Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies???
[Re: Chris'sBarracuda]
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06/05/09 12:10 PM
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Don't be such HATERS..
that's not the case. i HAVE a set of b1's and have delt with Scott a little. i have no ax to grind and am not bashing anyone. i'm sure they do work hard to chase HP i just don't think they're going to surpass every other push rod engine development program out there. think about what you're saying. what are NHRA prostockers making now 1350-1400HP? that's with every trick they can throw at them including monster induction systems. these guys would sell body parts and family members for 5 HP. now you're saying they're 100-150HP short of what can be done with lesser parts.
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Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies???
[Re: jamesc]
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06/05/09 04:07 PM
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That's true,but prostock has a cube limit. Any of these motors that are mentioned on here are all over 500 inches (probably closer to 600) imagine if nhra changed the limit to 600 the power they would be making! Look at SS/HA, wescott has to be making 1000HP with like 438 cubes and cast iron heads and 2 measly holleys. I know there is a ton of RnD involved but still its very impressive.
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Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies???
[Re: kingdust]
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06/05/09 09:06 PM
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That's true,but prostock has a cube limit. Any of these motors that are mentioned on here are all over 500 inches (probably closer to 600) imagine if nhra changed the limit to 600 the power they would be making! Look at SS/HA, wescott has to be making 1000HP with like 438 cubes and cast iron heads and 2 measly holleys. I know there is a ton of RnD involved but still its very impressive.
If they raised the CI limit the power per inch would go down.
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Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies???
[Re: dthemi]
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06/05/09 11:11 PM
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your right, i really wasn't thinking about that in my last post. i do think you can get to 1200 with a single carb ( with alot of money and r/d) but that extra 200 or 300 HP to get prostock level i dont think so unless you do a mountain motor (IHRA) cubes. has anybody done something like 700 or 800 cube single carb engine? i guess it would be a waste of time if you had to have a sheetmetal intake made and only put 1 dom on. unless thier are class restrictions. i love N/A motors but ( and i hate to say it) the easiest way to get that extra HP is SPRAY.
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Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies???
[Re: dodgepuller]
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06/09/09 02:32 AM
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Well hope I do this right. But here's the numbers on my motor. 410ci single 4 bbl.
Koffel's Place II
740 River Road
Huron, OH 44839
419.433.4410
Date 05-20-2009
Time 15:04:31
T15:04 D05-20 customer :bob& Jackie martie 1 10 gts 20-50 brad penn 2 msd 7al-2 w/hvc coil 3 vp c-14+ 4 dyno 2.375-2.5 x 5 headers 5 neal t/s single 4 bbl 6 book dominator 7 truck water system 8 33.0 timing 9 firecore wires 10 dailey drysump w/charlies pan 11 mopar dist locked out 12 crank trigger
FileName : MOPARBB9, Mode : A -Sweep ,D36
Speed C_TQ C Power A/F A/F BSFC C.F. OilPresWater
RPM Ibft C HP Left Right Ib/hphr Psi Deg F
6500 493.3 611 13.39 13.03 .315 1.043 79.1 84
6600 549 690 13.38 13.02 .318 1.043 79.2 84
6700 563 718 13.42 13 .291 1.043 79.5 84
6800 574 743 13.48 13.02 .284 1.043 79.7 84
6900 585 769 13.7 13.11 .284 1.043 79.9 84
7000 595 793 13.83 13.11 .284 1.043 80.2 84
7100 602 813 13.94 13.12 .285 1.043 80.4 84
7200 606 831 13.96 13.12 .283 1.043 80.7 84
7300 608 845 14.01 13.03 .287 1.043 80.9 84
7400 610 860 14.03 12.98 .286 1.043 81 84
7500 611 873 14.01 12.93 .293 1.043 81.1 84
7600 614 889 13.96 12.95 .288 1.043 81.4 84
7700 616 903 13.9 12.99 .299 1.043 81.6 84
7800 619 920 13.91 13.16 .295 1.043 81.7 84
7900 622 936 13.84 13.14 .296 1.043 81.9 84
8000 627 955 13.83 13.11 .302 1.043 82.1 84
8100 631 973 13.76 13.09 .296 1.043 82.3 84
8200 638 996 13.76 13.15 .299 1.043 82.7 84
8300 647 1023 13.79 13.24 .289 1.043 83 84
8400 655 1047 13.8 13.29 .278 1.043 83.1 84
8500 663 1072 13.81 13.33 .268 1.043 83.3 84
8600 669 1096 13.85 13.32 .268 1.043 83.6 84
8700 675 1118 13.89 13.36 .273 1.043 83.8 84
8800 679 1137 13.91 13.36 .265 1.043 84 84
8900 681 1154 13.94 13.34 .261 1.043 84.2 84
9000 683 1171 13.95 13.41 .269 1.043 84.6 84
9100 683 1184 13.96 13.42 .276 1.043 84.9 84
[ Average data ]
7800 622 930 13.82 13.15 .286 1.043 81.8 84
[ Inertia factor ] 1.42
[ Time ] 4 Sees
Thank you for posting those numbers.... 
I was thinking that I didn't hear Scott right.. 
But I'm sorry that it wasn't 2.9 hp per ci. like I had said.  It looks like it was 2.895 per ci. 
Looks like the numbers were still going up, up, up too..
And YES.. A single 4bbl..  
Super Nice job Scott..
Chris.. 
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Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies???
[Re: B1Fish540]
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06/09/09 04:03 AM
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I'm by no means an expert, but looking for example at the Ib/hphr numbers, maybe the dyno could be a bit happier than an average dyno?
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Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies???
[Re: B1Fish540]
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06/09/09 06:19 AM
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Chris is that a sheet metal intake...i know it must be,,i think Monte smith is the only one to try to make a cast intake for TS heads(IIRC, he made it from a Big chief)
Well I don't think it would take too many more cubes to push it over 1200 HP! 
David..
It looks like it just needed about 200 more rpm to get there (1200hp) at the rate of hp increase per 100rpm.
I don't know yet about the intake. But they are going to post pics.
I should be a profit.. ( Happy Dyno ) already said.. 
Chris..
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Re: 1200 h.p single carb engine recipies???
[Re: Chris'sBarracuda]
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06/09/09 06:50 AM
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Like I said, I'm by no means an expert, but donät believe a lot in miracles and the BSFC numbers are pretty exceptional. I agree, that perhaps building Pro Stock engines might bring better income. Anyway, no matter how well the numbers hold true, it still looks like an excellent engine. Even the torque numbers are still climbing at 9100 rpm, and at that point they are already at the best Pro Stock level per cu in. The engine produces more hp per cu in than a typical 358 Pro Stock truck engine, and that with a single four. I'm not a great believer in miracles, but perhaps after all they do happen. Until run at the track with exceptional performance or duplicating hte numbers in another dyno I don't quite swallow those numbers. Not that it matters any.
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.Dont get me wrong the B-1 Head can make some good power but I find the numbers a bit high.Maybe some of the big guns will come to the MILAN Heads-up races we have on the frist friday of the month to show off all this horse-power.I would enjoy that for sure. 
