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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. So
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06/03/09 08:41 AM
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Just to clarify, the car was not burning that much oil. It was needing to add a second quart when I changed the oil just before I sold it. At about 5500 miles. So that is one quart in 2750 miles. By todays standards that seems like a lot, but may in fact be normal for this motor. And it may have gotten better as it broke in some more.
I will bet that every one of your Guy's race motors burn that much oil in that many miles (if you should ever drive that many miles with a race motor) and it is not causing detonation. Or basically I do not believe one quart in 2750 miles is enough to cause detonation in this motor. I think that question as to the oil level got some of us off track.
Should burn 0=ZERO that new. I have had 2 5.7 HEMI trucks and they used NO oil. They did both make a knocking sound at idle though..... 
Even my 95 5.2 rattles a ton at the track unless I mix 93 w/ 104. All it has is the mopar computer.
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
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06/03/09 09:38 AM
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The oil burning thing is an issue, I would have had the engine swapped under warranty. If the motor is burning oil, that will affect the performance of the engine (can't have very efficent combustion with oil in the chamber)
As far as the speed at the track, you could have saved yourself 9500 bucks and bought a diablo sport tuner and clicked off mid to low 13's. The tuner allows a more agressive calibration, and it allows you to turn the ESP ALL THE WAY OFF!!! which is a huge issue with the cars (at the drag strip)
My 300C 5.7 hemi used 2 quarts on the initial oil change(3000 miles). This is no big deal. IMO factory installed oil is too thin so when I changed the oil I used a heavier viscosity and the oil consumption is way down now with 8000 or so miles.
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
[Re: ZIPPY]
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06/03/09 09:41 AM
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Just about every "stock" one I've seen that clicked off a good pass was not stock, and had the ESP turned completely off. ESP is not just a traction control, it's "torque management" and KILLS power. Pushing the button on the dash does NOT turn it off.
Alot of guys out there are saying their stuff is "stock" when it is not....it's real easy to tell just by listening to their car. At WOT a stock one lays down at every shift, and feels terrible when it does it.
Mine does that, its annoying especialy with the louder exhaust. will a programer fix that?
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
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06/03/09 10:52 AM
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Just about every "stock" one I've seen that clicked off a good pass was not stock, and had the ESP turned completely off. ESP is not just a traction control, it's "torque management" and KILLS power. Pushing the button on the dash does NOT turn it off.
Alot of guys out there are saying their stuff is "stock" when it is not....it's real easy to tell just by listening to their car. At WOT a stock one lays down at every shift, and feels terrible when it does it.
Mine does that, its annoying especialy with the louder exhaust. will a programer fix that?
I agree it's even more annoying with a louder exhaust, it sounds almost flatulent at each shift. A Diablosport will let you shut it off completely and it will feel more like it should. Highly recommended.
Remember back in the day when a stock Street Hemi car would run 14s or 15s, then after a set of plugs/distributor recurve/lash adjustment/rejet it'd be in the 12s and still proclaimed to be "stock" by the owner? A Diablosport tune is the same thing.
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
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06/03/09 11:21 AM
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I think I would have insisted the dealer at least look in to the oil consumption, or did a leakdown test on your own. If the engine was burning the oil on accel, the oil will cause detonation, and the knock sensor will pull out timing and power. While 1 qt in 3k mi may not warrant a problem in a dealers warranty schedule, it certainly is higher than normal with todays engines. If that failed, I would have tried to get the ECM reflashed; it may not have the right program, or it may be contaminated. The ECM's in these cars do not allow full engine power in the lower gears to limit wheelspin and to protect the drivetrain, (even with the traction control off) and the program may not be ramping the power back up in the higher gears. That's why stock cars nose over on the shifts; it's not a trans issue; the ECM is taking fuel and timing out to protect the trans. The tuner boxes bring the power back with more aggressive timing/fuel curves in the lower gears, and firm up the shifts. I guess it doesn't matter to you now, since the car has been sold; I guess we're just trying to help the next guy who has the issue. 
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
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06/03/09 11:49 AM
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I can understand what he is/went going thru with that purchase of the cars and what expectations he had.You read what they are supposed to have for power,given that they are heavy cars,you can expect lower than average 60' times,but the mph should still be there regardless of how fast you can shift a 6spd,even no lift shifting would at best gain you 1-2 tenths,and maybe 1 mph.
Commented in other forums about this already,when you have stock RT's running from 99-108 mph,thats WAY to big of difference!!!!I do really like my 6spd RT,did take it to the track and went a best(stock w/KN drop in filter)
60' 2.138 tires at 25lbs.
ET 13.76
MPH 102.05
ET was right where I expected,but did think it was going to go around 104 for MPH,oh well.Same day,same track,running right next to me was a friends SRT,stock 6spd,MPH was around 104 ish.
With all these reported MPH times being that far off,just kinda sucks as we showed enthusiasum to buy them,but not being what they were portrayed to be sucks,especially laying down the money.
When you're talking 99-108 mph,thats around 60-80+ hp difference!!!How the hell can that be on a supposed production car?????
I geuss the catch can is a good idea to start,as if you're pulling oil in the intake,it sure would do something to the timing /fuel if it was seeing some kinda knock.
It would be nice to see high MPH out of these cars,but I think I'll leave mine alone,use it as such was built and enjoy,street cruising,because as far as I'm concerned ,to me,drag racing at the track,I like feel decent 60' times 1.5,1.6's and these cars need an awfull lot to get to those.
Being a Buick GN owner,and racing it,even back in the day they never ran the same,and with very little effort they pick up tons of power and would run low 12's high 11's,but never this far off from eachother.
Last edited by EV2 AAR; 06/03/09 11:54 AM.
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
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06/03/09 03:49 PM
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Here's an idea. Get hooked up with another guy with a similar car with PROVEN TIME SLIPS & SWAP CARS FOR A FEW PASSES!!!!
V10
In Dragrcr97s defense, his driving is definitely NOT the problem. I can tell you from personal experiance, EVERY time he has had a chance to run someone elses race car or truck, INCLUDING MINE!, he has went faster. Driver error is NOT the problem friends! That car was just a DOG! It sure was a pretty dog though. With all the avenues that he explored to remedy this situation and come up empty handed I think he did the right thing in the position that he was in. Believe me, he didnt simply drive it off the lot, drive to the track, make one crappy pass and say; "Its for sale". That car was awesome in almost every way and it was intended as a keeper, so there was alot of research locally that went into getting it fixed. Im glad to hear there may be another Challenger in the near future. Or maybe a GT500 Mustang! 
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. So
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06/03/09 04:26 PM
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I geuss I have a ? related about this topic.When you have these "good ones" that miracuriously run that much harder than others of the same model,where is the substantial HP loss gone?Or how are these other cars having that much more HP coming out of them?
I mean,even if the engines tolerences are different,piston to wall,cam timing,alittle more compression,etc.,still does'nt add up to the quite noticable power to range 7-8 MPH?To me,it is just unexplainable to have that much more.And even though I am very happy and like my RT alot,and what it is ,it is for power,what a crappy quality control to have the variable that much different.
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. So
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06/03/09 05:22 PM
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i remember having performance discusions just like this back in the sixties ,some were dogs and some were not.
Also running a car with out a air cleaner is never a good idea. Many seem to burn oil afterwards.
And your oil consumption was to high.
Old Fogey Racing Ltd.
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. So
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06/03/09 05:54 PM
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
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06/03/09 08:32 PM
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"sometimes, it's not the car but the driver"
AARCUDA/Steve, why be such a jerk? What are you suggesting? Did you even read all of this thread? You seem somewhat intelligent, but I think you blew it making that comment. ESPECIALLY since it was suggested already.
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Re: DODGE let me down........CHALLENGER. Kinda LONG. Sorry
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06/03/09 10:03 PM
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"sometimes, it's not the car but the driver"
AARCUDA/Steve, why be such a jerk? What are you suggesting? Did you even read all of this thread? You seem somewhat intelligent, but I think you blew it making that comment. ESPECIALLY since it was suggested already.
I'm not sure you have the right to insult anyone's intelligence when you flushed 10K down the toilet for nothing. 
You jumped the gun big time selling it and you know it.
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Me and my $25 pepboys scanner would have put a Holley 3310 on it... that would have fixed it...lol
