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Re: P7 Questions
[Re: DARTSPORT340]
#333101
05/30/09 07:01 AM
05/30/09 07:01 AM
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Shelbyville, TN USA
40ford
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The R5 block/P7 headed engines were LAST YEARS Nascar Mopar engine. Since last year, a lot of Mopar teams have disappeared-----and, the R6/P8 engine has been introduced----thus rendering the R5/P7 obsolete. And in the real racing world, if something is obsolete----its value is very low. So we are flooded with these parts.
BTW, the same thing is happening with the GM SB2 engines and parts. And the same thing will happen with Ford engines next year as the new Ford engine is introduced into Nascar.
The R5/P7 engine is a design specific race engine. No parts interchange with existing Mopar engines. They use very large bores, very short strokes, and need to turn very high RPMs to work---at all. And, are dry sump oiled ONLY!
So its expensive to add cubic inches, expensive to rebuild with new parts----and a lot of the "parts" for sale doesn't necessarily interchange with other race parts.
The bell housing is different and the crank flanges are all GM.
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Re: P7 Questions
[Re: 40ford]
#333103
05/30/09 10:39 AM
05/30/09 10:39 AM
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Charlotte, NC
LSP
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the crank flanges are all GM.
Some have the ford rear flange also, better rear main seal.
Yes, can be external wet sump, but you have to deal with the cam tunnel.
Looking at both engines, I don't consider the R5/P7 obsolete, the only big advantage I see in the R6/P8 is the high skirt block design.
There will be even more R5/P7, and some R6/P8 stuff out there soon, Evernham/Petty, or whatever they are calling it this week, are going Toyota next year.
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Re: P7 Questions
[Re: DARTSPORT340]
#333106
05/31/09 12:27 PM
05/31/09 12:27 PM
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IL. Jerseyville
jg309
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just aquired a r5 with p7 heads,is the crank the same as the small journal r3 with the 2.25 mains, & the bell housing pattern is ?,how about rocker gear,anything else you can tell me would be app. jg309 thanks,
Last edited by not_a_charger; 06/01/09 06:17 PM.
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Re: P7 Questions
[Re: jg309]
#333107
05/31/09 04:02 PM
05/31/09 04:02 PM
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Charlotte, NC
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just aquired a r5 with p7 heads,is the crank the same as the small journal r3 with the 2.25 mains, & the bell housing pattern is ?,how about rocker gear,anything else you can tell me would be app. jg309 thanks,
Nothing is the same, there are 2" main R5 blocks also.
Last edited by not_a_charger; 06/01/09 06:19 PM.
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Re: P7 Questions
[Re: jg309]
#333108
06/01/09 06:56 AM
06/01/09 06:56 AM
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HMcCandless_Jr
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Be careful building one of these. Try to buy one complete its WAy cheaper.
Last edited by not_a_charger; 06/01/09 06:18 PM.
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Re: P7 Questions
[Re: HMcCandless_Jr]
#333109
06/01/09 07:47 AM
06/01/09 07:47 AM
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quick77rt
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Try to buy one complete its WAy cheaper. Im not sure about that, if you shop around and get the right parts the first time. The only used parts I have in my build are one time run heads on the dyno, new block/crank/pistons/rockers/camshaft/msd dual pickup...and thats including the Rick L adapter plate and im right at 6k so far and the only thing I dont think I have is plug wires. This even includes a very nice set of headers that fit the alterktion front end. Ive seen them listed complete with one race for 6-7k but who wants a one race motor??? The little parts do add up, but if your patient and watch the bag or know a nascar guy, your in there. Ive mixed thoughts on the lil piston oilers, im using them though......has anyone found a way around it without causing O/P issues  . Quote:
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just aquired a r5 with p7 heads,is the crank the same as the small journal r3 with the 2.25 mains, & the bell housing pattern is ?,how about rocker gear,anything else you can tell me would be app. jg309 thanks,
Be careful building one of these. Try to buy one complete its WAy cheaper.
Last edited by not_a_charger; 06/01/09 06:18 PM.
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Re: P7 Questions
[Re: quick77rt ]
#333110
06/01/09 09:11 AM
06/01/09 09:11 AM
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wappinger falls new york
Jimi_Vignogna
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I think the pin oilers are the same as a honda b series engines, just plug them off you dont need them, your rods (if they are the nascrap carillo's)should have pressurized oiling to the pins anyway. i have two complete engines three spare blocks 2 sets of different style port heads and 6 sets of untouched heads, the only thing i do not have is distributors, i have less than 12,000.00 invested. Quote:
Try to buy one complete its WAy cheaper.
Im not sure about that, if you shop around and get the right parts the first time.
The only used parts I have in my build are one time run heads on the dyno, new block/crank/pistons/rockers/camshaft/msd dual pickup...and thats including the Rick L adapter plate and im right at 6k so far and the only thing I dont think I have is plug wires.
This even includes a very nice set of headers that fit the alterktion front end.
Ive seen them listed complete with one race for 6-7k but who wants a one race motor???
The little parts do add up, but if your patient and watch the bag or know a nascar guy, your in there.
Ive mixed thoughts on the lil piston oilers, im using them though......has anyone found a way around it without causing O/P issues .
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just aquired a r5 with p7 heads,is the crank the same as the small journal r3 with the 2.25 mains, & the bell housing pattern is ?,how about rocker gear,anything else you can tell me would be app. jg309 thanks,
Be careful building one of these. Try to buy one complete its WAy cheaper.
Last edited by not_a_charger; 06/01/09 06:18 PM.
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Re: P7 Questions
[Re: Jimi_Vignogna]
#333111
06/01/09 10:17 AM
06/01/09 10:17 AM
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Melbourne , Australia
LA360
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The only thing i do not have is distributors, i have less than 12,000.00 invested.
Front drive Distributors are in the works
AL...
Last edited by LA360; 06/01/09 10:18 AM.
Alan Jones
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Re: P7 Questions
[Re: scottb]
#333114
06/01/09 04:15 PM
06/01/09 04:15 PM
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There will be even more R5/P7, and some R6/P8 stuff out there soon, Evernham/Petty, or whatever they are calling it this week, are going Toyota next year.
Is that why they don't have their R6/P8 stuff off the ground?!
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Re: P7 Questions
[Re: scottb]
#333115
06/07/09 03:42 PM
06/07/09 03:42 PM
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Dont forget that most of the ring packages for those piston are 1k to 1400 a set .There is other place to get the trans adaptors from not just rick
where else can you get an adapter, rick is the only place I have seen, also where can I get headers for this? has anyone hooked one of these up to a 727? if so what starter and flexplate did you use?
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Re: P7 Questions
[Re: camdog440]
#333117
06/07/09 07:25 PM
06/07/09 07:25 PM
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Rick Liuzzo produces an Adapter for the transmission also
See my sig for details
AL.....
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http://www.moparraceparts.com http://www.liuzzoracing.com
I don't think their website has worked for about a month. 
this doesnt help me at all, I asked where else to get an adapter other than rick because someone said there are other places to get them. also that moparraceparts.com sucks
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Re: P7 Questions
[Re: Plumb Wired]
#333119
06/09/09 09:10 AM
06/09/09 09:10 AM
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Melbourne , Australia
LA360
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The Liuzzo Bros Racing site was working last time I checked. You could phone Rick on (570) 561 1746 or email or PM him through the board. I drew up a Torqueflite adapter for Rick so he should be able to make you one. Let me know how you make out.
AL....
Alan Jones
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