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How much has the 5.7 evolved since it began? #3230542
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I Have a 2011 Ram 1500 4x4 w/ 5.7 that has a bad cam or lifter. I also have a 2004 5.7 engine out of a 2wd 1500 (complete top to bottom and front to back) that has almost no miles on it. My question is, how much has changed between 2004 and 2011? Is there any electrical gremlins that are going to cause headaches? I'm guessing that as far as dropping it in and bolting it up, I won't run into many issues, but the electrical has me wondering what has all changed? I could sell the engine to pay for a top end rebuild, but if it'll drop in without complications, I would rather go that route. Any insight would be helpful, thanks.

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One potential headache might be the crank position reluctor wheel teeth. 2008 and older should have the 32 tooth wheel, 2009 and newer should have the 58 tooth. Also some cylinder head differences occurred 2008 and older vs 2009 newer. I believe there are intake and other engine management stuff that's different, others may mention. twocents


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That's the kind of stuff that I was wondering about. I am severely lacking in electrical knowledge. It's always been my weakest point. Thanks for you input.

Re: How much has the 5.7 evolved since it began? [Re: ledft1979] #3230673
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Does the 2011 1500 have the cylinder deactivation feature? (Where it went from an 8 cylinder to a 4 cylinder.)

Re: How much has the 5.7 evolved since it began? [Re: ledft1979] #3230723
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Originally Posted by ledft1979
I Have a 2011 Ram 1500 4x4 w/ 5.7 that has a bad cam or lifter. I also have a 2004 5.7 engine out of a 2wd 1500 (complete top to bottom and front to back) that has almost no miles on it. My question is, how much has changed between 2004 and 2011? Is there any electrical gremlins that are going to cause headaches? I'm guessing that as far as dropping it in and bolting it up, I won't run into many issues, but the electrical has me wondering what has all changed? I could sell the engine to pay for a top end rebuild, but if it'll drop in without complications, I would rather go that route. Any insight would be helpful, thanks. scratch geometry dash


The 5.7-liter Hemi engine in the 2011 Ram 1500 and the 2004 model are largely similar in terms of basic architecture, but there have been some changes and updates over the years.

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Originally Posted by QuickDodge
Does the 2011 1500 have the cylinder deactivation feature? (Where it went from an 8 cylinder to a 4 cylinder.)
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Yes it does have it and I'm guessing that that is the reason for so many lifter failures in the Rams. I'm guessing that I'm going to have to go through the top end of mine just to undo that particular design aspect.

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Ones without the cylinder deactivation also have failure. Enough changed that I think it's 2010 and newer that needs to be used as a replacement.

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The 5.7 has had two major generations. 04-09 and 09-up. Different heads, etc... Your 2011 is the better 5.7.

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Originally Posted by Devil
The 5.7 has had two major generations. 04-09 and 09-up. Different heads, etc... Your 2011 is the better 5.7.
Eagle Heads with VVT started in '09 as mentioned and I'd be afraid of the electrical communications playing well. HotRodDave needs to chime in for you....he knows these GenIII Hemis!


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Well, I'd like to hear what Hot Rod Dave has to say, but I think that I've already heard enough to know that repairing the engine is a better option than replacing it with the older one that I have. I do plan on going with the MDS delete system though. I just have never been a fan of the theory itself.

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Is it the VVT or MDS that's actually the issue with failures.
It seems the MDS is what disables the lifters?

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That was my bad, VVT slipped in where MDS should have been.

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Originally Posted by ledft1979
Well, I'd like to hear what Hot Rod Dave has to say, but I think that I've already heard enough to know that repairing the engine is a better option than replacing it with the older one that I have. I do plan on going with the MDS delete system though. I just have never been a fan of the theory itself.
For those of you who have replaced the cam and lifters multiple times, do you find it easier or quicker to pull the engine or just pull the radiator and go at it in the vehicle? One guy mentioned that pulling the cab would probably make it easier but that seems a bit extreme, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by ledft1979
Originally Posted by ledft1979
Well, I'd like to hear what Hot Rod Dave has to say, but I think that I've already heard enough to know that repairing the engine is a better option than replacing it with the older one that I have. I do plan on going with the MDS delete system though. I just have never been a fan of the theory itself.
For those of you who have replaced the cam and lifters multiple times, do you find it easier or quicker to pull the engine or just pull the radiator and go at it in the vehicle? One guy mentioned that pulling the cab would probably make it easier but that seems a bit extreme, in my opinion.
Keep in mind just like the LS the heads have to come off to replace cam and lifters.


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I do realize that the heads have to come off, but I've never seen one done on a 5.7 Ram and I'm not sure of the clearances. We did a 5.9 at work and the guy who did it pulled the cab to do that one, but that was tucked up under the cowl pretty good. I know that some Fords pretty much require the cab to be pulled. I won't be the lead mechanic in this but I will be involved. I'm just trying to visualize what will be required as far as space, tools, and time frame.







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