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Re: Hard water [Re: larrymopar360] #3227716
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Lots to consider. Seems diverting or setting up only certain faucets for softened water is a must. I never thought about salt content in water heater too although as mentioned they don't last long as it is.

I don't know what to look for in our water report for the city. I probably need independent test.

If anyone knows what specifically to look for on this report please advise... I'm certain it's hard water though. I can feel on my skin and just by the faucets, etc.

https://www.melbourneflorida.org/de...ities/water-quality/water-quality-report


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Re: Hard water [Re: larrymopar360] #3227735
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Spent the winter in south AZ. The water was like liquid concrete and any dried up drips looked the same as salt water. The hot water tank of my RV is likely caked in sediment

Re: Hard water [Re: larrymopar360] #3227741
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Originally Posted by larrymopar360
Lots to consider. Seems diverting or setting up only certain faucets for softened water is a must. I never thought about salt content in water heater too although as mentioned they don't last long as it is.

I don't know what to look for in our water report for the city. I probably need independent test.

If anyone knows what specifically to look for on this report please advise... I'm certain it's hard water though. I can feel on my skin and just by the faucets, etc.

https://www.melbourneflorida.org/de...ities/water-quality/water-quality-report



Hard water is usually defined as water, which contains a high concentration of calcium and magnesium ions. However, hardness can be caused by several other dissolved metals; those forms divalent or multivalent cations, including aluminum, barium, strontium, iron, zinc, and manganese. None of these are reported in your cites drinking water report.

Getting a report on minerals which cause water hardness from your cities drinking water is possible. Although they may test for the minerals, they rarely report them to the public, you can contact them and ask directly if the water is hard.

Without having to go too far out of your way, one of the easiest options for a hard water test is with a clear, clean, empty bottle with a cap, pure liquid soap and water right from your tap. Fill the bottle one-third full, add a few drops of pure liquid soap and shake vigorously for a few seconds. If there is a distinct lack of fluffy bubbles and the water appears cloudy and/or milky, your water is hard. Soft water would have copious bubbles, and the resting water at the bottom of the bottle would be clear. Keep in mind that because most soaps are formulated with detergents, they lather regardless of your water type. For the best results, use a basic soap, such as Castile, which is free of dyes, perfumes and detergents.


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Re: Hard water [Re: 67vertman] #3227753
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Originally Posted by 67vertman
Originally Posted by larrymopar360
Lots to consider. Seems diverting or setting up only certain faucets for softened water is a must. I never thought about salt content in water heater too although as mentioned they don't last long as it is.

I don't know what to look for in our water report for the city. I probably need independent test.

If anyone knows what specifically to look for on this report please advise... I'm certain it's hard water though. I can feel on my skin and just by the faucets, etc.

https://www.melbourneflorida.org/de...ities/water-quality/water-quality-report



Hard water is usually defined as water, which contains a high concentration of calcium and magnesium ions. However, hardness can be caused by several other dissolved metals; those forms divalent or multivalent cations, including aluminum, barium, strontium, iron, zinc, and manganese. None of these are reported in your cites drinking water report.

Getting a report on minerals which cause water hardness from your cities drinking water is possible. Although they may test for the minerals, they rarely report them to the public, you can contact them and ask directly if the water is hard.

Without having to go too far out of your way, one of the easiest options for a hard water test is with a clear, clean, empty bottle with a cap, pure liquid soap and water right from your tap. Fill the bottle one-third full, add a few drops of pure liquid soap and shake vigorously for a few seconds. If there is a distinct lack of fluffy bubbles and the water appears cloudy and/or milky, your water is hard. Soft water would have copious bubbles, and the resting water at the bottom of the bottle would be clear. Keep in mind that because most soaps are formulated with detergents, they lather regardless of your water type. For the best results, use a basic soap, such as Castile, which is free of dyes, perfumes and detergents.
Good information, thank you! And I'll try that simple test.


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Re: Hard water [Re: 67vertman] #3227765
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Originally Posted by 67vertman
Originally Posted by larrymopar360
Lots to consider. Seems diverting or setting up only certain faucets for softened water is a must. I never thought about salt content in water heater too although as mentioned they don't last long as it is.

I don't know what to look for in our water report for the city. I probably need independent test.

If anyone knows what specifically to look for on this report please advise... I'm certain it's hard water though. I can feel on my skin and just by the faucets, etc.

https://www.melbourneflorida.org/de...ities/water-quality/water-quality-report



Hard water is usually defined as water, which contains a high concentration of calcium and magnesium ions. However, hardness can be caused by several other dissolved metals; those forms divalent or multivalent cations, including aluminum, barium, strontium, iron, zinc, and manganese. None of these are reported in your cites drinking water report.

Getting a report on minerals which cause water hardness from your cities drinking water is possible. Although they may test for the minerals, they rarely report them to the public, you can contact them and ask directly if the water is hard.

Without having to go too far out of your way, one of the easiest options for a hard water test is with a clear, clean, empty bottle with a cap, pure liquid soap and water right from your tap. Fill the bottle one-third full, add a few drops of pure liquid soap and shake vigorously for a few seconds. If there is a distinct lack of fluffy bubbles and the water appears cloudy and/or milky, your water is hard. Soft water would have copious bubbles, and the resting water at the bottom of the bottle would be clear. Keep in mind that because most soaps are formulated with detergents, they lather regardless of your water type. For the best results, use a basic soap, such as Castile, which is free of dyes, perfumes and detergents.


The shower test works too! If it dont lather, its hard as a rock

Re: Hard water [Re: Dart 500] #3227784
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Well the OP has certainly come to the right place for expert advice !!!

Re: Hard water [Re: Stanton] #3227793
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Originally Posted by Stanton
Well the OP has certainly come to the right place for expert advice !!!


I did sleep in a Motel 6 last night.


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Re: Hard water [Re: Stanton] #3227810
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Originally Posted by Stanton
I've had water softeners in three homes for the past 30 plus years. I would only call it "maintenance" if you're a lazy son-of-a-[censored]. Seriously, how hard is it to carry in an average of a bag of salt per month ?!?! Every few years I do a "cleaning" which involves pouring a quart of some [censored] in the brine tank and cycling the unit.

I don't have any other gizmos in the lines but my wife likes RO water so we have a separate small RO unit.

I do run outdoor water off a line before the softener - no point in watering lawns with soft water !!

And FWIW, we have a kettle and a Keurig that we've been using for over ten years and both look like the day the were made - no mineral buildup whatsoever in either one.



I'm guessing you use reverse osmosis (RO) water for the kettle and Keurig, not soft water. Water softeners actually add salt to your water—I'll pass on that "genius" idea.

Re: Hard water [Re: Markelov69] #3227845
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You can also soften your water with Potassium Chloride, which will not add Sodium to your water.


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Re: Hard water [Re: Soopernaut] #3227856
04/18/24 10:32 AM
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Lots of great information already given. Most of it right in target. up

Do softeners add sodium to drinking water?

Technically yes.

Actuality is that it’s is so minuscule, the FDA rates it significantly LOWER than average untreated water across the country.

Google; Do water softeners add sodium / salt to water.

There’s tons of articles on the subject.

Our eastern Missouri home was constructed 1991.

Water heater gave up in the first year: corroded lower elements.

We got our first water softener. It regenerated every night at 3 AM.

That type of water softener was a salt hog. And it broke down and had to be replaced about every eight years.

Roughly $1500 each replacement: parts/installation and haul away.

About a year ago, and after a LOT of research, we went to an upper end (not top line) Culligan system.

It only regenerates on demand useage. Our salt useage has been reduced by around 80%.

That in itself is a huge improvement for wife and I.

Total cost was around $3200.

I forget what the warranty is exactly, but it is substantial.

My advice: Deal with a dedicated and well reputed “water softener only” company.

Although this is a 2020 video, I find it one of the best in water softener systems, and what to look for based in your individual needs:

https://youtu.be/NYYYKglrKX4?si=1e9Agr3FN11TPlNm

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Re: Hard water [Re: larrymopar360] #3227868
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We have the best water in the world here in northern Illinois, we call it the Lake Michigan Cocktail! Been in the house 35 years and never had a water softener and all the faucets and plumbing are still original when the house was built in 1972. That is one of the main things that keeps me up in this God forsaken state, the water is awesome! I dread the day I move to Tennessee and have to find a place that has good water... nervous


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Re: Hard water [Re: Rhinodart] #3228269
04/20/24 01:17 PM
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Thanks Cometstorm, good information. Besides the obvious damage I see to faucets and water heater, yes I can feel the difference on my skin. I have dry skin and have to use lotion after every shower (TMI? LOL). I could seriously go a week without washing my hair (I don't) and it would not be oily. I think I wrote earlier that I've traveled to places with soft water and a shower feels so different!

I have an excellent plumber and I'm going to ask him to refer me to a company.


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Re: Hard water [Re: larrymopar360] #3228304
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Larry...Have you had a water heater change in the last few years? Hard water really hits them...


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Re: Hard water [Re: tboomer] #3228383
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Larry...Have you had a water heater change in the last few years? Hard water really hits them...


And washing machine valves.

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Re: Hard water [Re: Cometstorm] #3228392
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Originally Posted by Cometstorm
Originally Posted by tboomer
Larry...Have you had a water heater change in the last few years? Hard water really hits them...


And washing machine valves.

Don’t ask me how I know! whistling


I had that happen, opened the door to the front loader and a bunch of water poured out. Thankfully the inlet valves are easy to replace and cheap. They just crust up with minerals and stop sealing.

Re: Hard water [Re: tboomer] #3228395
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Originally Posted by tboomer
Larry...Have you had a water heater change in the last few years? Hard water really hits them...
Yes actually that's kind of what prompted the question. I just replaced my WH and old one didn't last very long. Also faucets get restricted and need cleaning.


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Re: Hard water [Re: larrymopar360] #3228426
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I must have ok water. Water heater is 32 years old and works as good as it did when new. Gas powered though. Washer is 32 as well and works good. I just probably jinxed myself.


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Re: Hard water [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #3228430
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Originally Posted by Mr PotatoHead
I must have ok water. Water heater is 32 years old and works as good as it did when new. Gas powered though. Washer is 32 as well and works good. I just probably jinxed myself.
WOW! The only thing I have that comes close to that age is my clothes washer. Old style, agitator and no digital controls and no water saving b.s. This thing actually cleans your clothes. It's pushing 20 years.


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Re: Hard water [Re: larrymopar360] #3228725
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every time i say something about our appliances, shortly thereafter, the one i just bragged about takes the big $hit ! panic flame laugh2
therefore, i ain't sayin' nothin' !!!!!!!!!!!
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