Re: Beware of the knock offs
[Re: crackedback]
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CMcAllister
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Avoid Amazon. And anyplace similar. Stick with the main stream sources or the manufactures directly.
It's an issue everywhere, regardless what you are buying.
Bad enough we have to deal with the Proforms and others who have been ripping off Edelbrock, MSD, Holley, and others for so long, we are used to seeing it.
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Re: Beware of the knock offs
[Re: CMcAllister]
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04/13/24 11:48 AM
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Little to no recourse for small companies. I am not surprised this has begun to happen with smaller companies. Anyone who has been to SEMA in the last two decades has watched and seen the blatant way the Chinese companies are outright steeling other peoples hard work.
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Re: Beware of the knock offs
[Re: Neil]
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04/13/24 04:36 PM
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Aren’t Edelbrock heads basically a stock head copy with a few improvements. Patents protect a product for X amount of years then companies are allowed the copy them and make improvements. TV’s for example if they weren’t allowed they be copied and improved we would still be watching RCA black and white TV with rabbit ears. Or driving early model Fords. Be careful what you wish for.
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Re: Beware of the knock offs
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04/13/24 05:58 PM
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CMcAllister
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Aren’t Edelbrock heads basically a stock head copy with a few improvements. Patents protect a product for X amount of years then companies are allowed the copy them and make improvements. TV’s for example if they weren’t allowed they be copied and improved we would still be watching RCA black and white TV with rabbit ears. Or driving early model Fords. Be careful what you wish for.
All well and good. I think the issue people get upset about is blatant copying of an item (MSD ignitions, Holley carbs and fuel pumps, by Proform and others for one) while making them inferior in quality to achieve the stupid low price point. They are attempting to fool people into thinking they are getting a smoking deal on the real McCoy. Obviously, outright counterfeiting with name brands and packaging being copied are not good. The real danger is people tearing up good parts, wrecking cars and getting hurt because of this trash. So it's not just being butthurt over someone making a better mouse trap.
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Re: Beware of the knock offs
[Re: CMcAllister]
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04/13/24 06:08 PM
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I believe PRI and SEMA have addressed this, but likely only for companies that have ponied up to be members.
I recall a number of years ago at PRI. There were two Chinese ladies had a table in a booth towards the back of the hall. Had a number of parts, CNC machined bits, etc, laid out that looked like name brand stuff. Rocker arms, fittings, odds and ends. Pretty blatantly advertising reverse engineering of stuff to be labeled as your own. They were largely ignored as far as I could see. I guess someone stopped to chat.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Beware of the knock offs
[Re: CMcAllister]
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Buy a bare Edelbrock head and buy a bare Speedmaster head and you tell me which one is nicer. I have pictures but this site and their picture program SUCKS
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.38@138.67
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Re: Beware of the knock offs
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Buy a bare Edelbrock head and buy a bare Speedmaster head and you tell me which one is nicer. I have pictures but this site and their picture program SUCKS
Chinese imported tools and parts have gotten better over the past decade because folks in the US are their guinea pigs buying up bottom dollar junk until they were able to catch up in quality. Now it's similar quality for the same price and in some cases better quality because domestic production has had to go full throttle on value engineering. This example should be a surprise to noone and won't stop most from buying those copies. They'll brag about saving a few bucks while the original company struggles to compete.
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Re: Beware of the knock offs
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I wonder how many of our members are running Stealth heads. Lol 😂
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Re: Beware of the knock offs
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04/14/24 11:07 AM
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I wonder how many of our members are running Stealth heads. Lol 😂
Not this one, nor do I use Chinese parts in any of my stuff. I don't see how anyone can condone the practice of reverse engineering and profiting from pirated tech..This has NOTHING to do with advancing the technology it is just blatant piracy and theft of intellectual property.
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"It's never wrong to do the right thing"
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Re: Beware of the knock offs
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04/14/24 11:44 AM
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I wonder how many of our members are running Stealth heads. Lol 😂
Not this one, nor do I use Chinese parts in any of my stuff. I don't see how anyone can condone the practice of reverse engineering and profiting from pirated tech..This has NOTHING to do with advancing the technology it is just blatant piracy and theft of intellectual property. I would sure like to take a walk through your shop or house. Although having a wife with a great job helps too. What make tv, washer and dryer do you have.
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.38@138.67
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