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Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747 [Re: gtx6970] #3214124
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Is that GTX even running? IMO, there is too big a difference in recording quality to even consider that a valid comparison. No way they should be that different.

IMO, Super Turbo it. $110 for a pair. You already have experience with those and are happy with them on the Satellite. At 2.25, I'd guess they may be just a skosh more quiet. If your unhappy with the sound on the Hemi, then Ultra Flow it at $170 a pair. Heck, buy both and your still only 50% of the Accurate system mufflers. Sell off whichever pair you don't want and recoup 90 percent of your money back. You then will have a side by side comparison you can use to come back here and use to convince someone to buy what you don't want.

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ahh, just leave 'em off............ biggrin
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Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747 [Re: gtx6970] #3214143
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That's quite a difference between the two: I like the yellow car much better. It has a crisp sound to it, whereas the GTX sounds like a 318 car.
Maybe '66-'67 cars are different from '68-'70, but IIRC the later 440 cars had an H and larger pipe before the mufflers.
Plus, the manifolds on the RBs should be further apart due to deck height, no ?

FWIW, my yellow car sounds pretty much like your yellow car - and it isn't because of paint laugh2 - but my blue car sounds pretty much like the GTX.

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Originally Posted by topside
That's quite a difference between the two: I like the yellow car much better. It has a crisp sound to it, whereas the GTX sounds like a 318 car.
Maybe '66-'67 cars are different from '68-'70, but IIRC the later 440 cars had an H and larger pipe before the mufflers.
Plus, the manifolds on the RBs should be further apart due to deck height, no ?

FWIW, my yellow car sounds pretty much like your yellow car - and it isn't because of paint laugh2 - but my blue car sounds pretty much like the GTX.


Both cars are equipped with a full 2.5inch TTI system , both are H pipe equipped
The 440 GTX is box stock.
the 383 Satellite had a small cam, approx 10-1 comp. and stealth aluminum heads

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Originally Posted by GomangoCuda
Do the 6" round ultra flow sound or perform different than the more conventional oval shaped ultra flows? They might fit on each side of an ebody gas tank.

Found a pic of what I am considering.


Nope - they are straight-through just like the oval versions. These are great mufflers, but they just sound "flat" to me - they do NO tuning. They are more like resonators.


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Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747 [Re: Sunroofcuda] #3214176
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Here's the chart for the Super Turbos. All of the single in/out Super Turbos will flow in either direction, but for an A-Body or B-Body you will enter next to the driveshaft on the offset, & come out for the tailpipe center.

Here's a pair of my chambered mufflers on a 68 B-Fish w/340: https://youtu.be/PdW5Vy1Dtv4 (I think it's one of our Moparts members' cars)


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Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747 [Re: Sunroofcuda] #3214197
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Originally Posted by Sunroofcuda
Here's the chart for the Super Turbos. All of the single in/out Super Turbos will flow in either direction, but for an A-Body or B-Body you will enter next to the driveshaft on the offset, & come out for the tailpipe center.

Here's a pair of my chambered mufflers on a 68 B-Fish w/340: https://youtu.be/PdW5Vy1Dtv4 (I think it's one of our Moparts members' cars)



I wonder what the difference is between 17767 and 17747 . appears to be the exact same specs


Edit, per Summit. the 17767 is not avail


Either way, I have a set of the 17747 in the wifes Amazon cart for her next order . So they should be here in the next week max

Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747 [Re: gtx6970] #3214229
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A bit late to this party, but my Charger has a 440, tti headers, 2.5 pipes into Super Turbos. Nice rumble but not obnoxious. grin

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I have the 17733 on the Dart and 17748 that I got from TTi when I bought the system for my Bee .I just realized the 747 is 2.25 tail , 748 is 2.5.

I wonder if Dynomax changed the design because the charts says 410cm flow but the box , I still have them with 3" borola xr1's in them , says 376cfm ?


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Originally Posted by gtx6970
Originally Posted by topside
That's quite a difference between the two: I like the yellow car much better. It has a crisp sound to it, whereas the GTX sounds like a 318 car.
Maybe '66-'67 cars are different from '68-'70, but IIRC the later 440 cars had an H and larger pipe before the mufflers.
Plus, the manifolds on the RBs should be further apart due to deck height, no ?

FWIW, my yellow car sounds pretty much like your yellow car - and it isn't because of paint laugh2 - but my blue car sounds pretty much like the GTX.


Both cars are equipped with a full 2.5inch TTI system , both are H pipe equipped
The 440 GTX is box stock.
the 383 Satellite had a small cam, approx 10-1 comp. and stealth aluminum heads


This is exactly why I find it hard to pick mufflers. You hear a much different sound on two cars that should be pretty close.

One thing I’ve wondered about is if the Accurate (or other) repops would flow like factory? Reading old road tests I have, a 68 GTX 440 with ac could punch just under a 14 second ticket at the strip. I’m sure that was a worked over car they gave the press, but did they swap mufflers on such? If a true factory muffler can flow like that, it should be all I need for a stock 440 car, if repops are spot on that is.


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My two cents on the subject of Dynomax mufflers is that over 20 years go I went with the longest “RV” stainless steel straight through Dynomax in the 2.5 inch diameter. Its price was lower than the heavier advertised performance SS Dynomax models, I suspect because RV owners pay more attention to value. As a single muffler it had a low deep tone with very little high frequency noise and cut backpressure to half that of the Walker Quietflow square case before it. I then bought the shortest stainless steel RV Dynomax as a “resonator exhaust pipe end” The resonator addition dropped the 1600 to 2000 rpm part throttle highway cruise sound level.

Mistakes I suspect I made back then:

I did not know how to “guest-i-mate” the effective length of exhaust pipe from main muffler to resonator to “fine tune” frequency range of noise.
I was not aware of what “T Stub pipes” could accomplish noise & frequency wise.
I did not have, or attempt to borrow, a dB meter with frequency range adjustment. (free Apps for that today)
I did not understand the pros & cons of changing the EGR tap point from exhaust manifold to way back somewhere behind cat con and/or muffler(s).

The stainless steel exterior of both main muffler and resonator still look great after all these years.

Re: Dynomax Super Turbo Mufflers " 17747 [Re: Sunroofcuda] #3214342
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Originally Posted by Sunroofcuda
Here's the chart for the Super Turbos. All of the single in/out Super Turbos will flow in either direction, but for an A-Body or B-Body you will enter next to the driveshaft on the offset, & come out for the tailpipe center.

Here's a pair of my chambered mufflers on a 68 B-Fish w/340: https://youtu.be/PdW5Vy1Dtv4 (I think it's one of our Moparts members' cars)



Interesting how they define sound profile by "street" or "sport". I'd assume the street nomenclature to mean somewhat quieter that a sport call out. Would have been nice to a certain engine combo test notation with resulting decibel levels at idle and cruise.

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Originally Posted by burdar
Super Turbo with a center exit. The exhaust has to flow around the exit pipe. Not my picture. This topic has come up before and I saved the picture.


I'm looking at this picture and I can't fathom how this is not a pretty restrictive design with that exit pipe blocking the flow. The next set of mufflers I get will be the ultra flows.

I've used a race bullet as a resonator on a 4" system on my 24v valve Cummins ram , doesn't really do a lot to quiet it down.

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Originally Posted by JohnRR
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Super Turbo with a center exit. The exhaust has to flow around the exit pipe. Not my picture. This topic has come up before and I saved the picture.


I'm looking at this picture and I can't fathom how this is not a pretty restrictive design with that exit pipe blocking the flow. The next set of mufflers I get will be the ultra flows.

I've used a race bullet as a resonator on a 4" system on my 2v valve Cummins ram , doesn't really do a lot to quiet it down.



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Originally Posted by Sunroofcuda
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I've used 17748, the 2.5" version on my 2005 5.7 Hemi Magnum.

*It's important to differentiate between the short case one that usually drones, and the long 20" case model that usually doesn't.

The car had no cats and an H pipe, so very similar to an older car in that regard.

I loved them, they were just right for a good, throaty sounding driver that was never annoying.
Long distance drives, 3-5 hours, no problem at all.

They do not flow well. The car felt faster with 2 chamber flowmasters, and even those don't flow well.

But they do keep the car pretty quiet and sounding good.

I feel they are a little too quiet for an occasional short distance Hellraiser kind of a car which is why they make the race bullets and the ultra flo.


Well, I used to work for Dynomax & I can assure you, a 2.5" version of the Super Turbo flows better than a 2.5" or 3" 2 chamber, 3 chamber, or Delta flow Flowmaster. The 3" Flowmaster versions had flow rates of around 350 scfm, while the 2.5" Dynomax Super Turbos have flow rates of around 410-420 scfm. Comparative OE mufflers have flow rates of usually under 200 scfm. I remember buying a pair of 16" bodied Chrysler "Hemi" mufflers from Mitchell Motors back in the early 80's - to replace the 20" bodied originals on my old '71 Hemi Charger. The mufflers from Mitchell flowed like CRAP - I could immediately tell they were restrictive. Back then I didn't know crap about exhaust. I should have installed a set of Walker Red Line Z mufflers, which evolved into the Super Turbos.

The big differences internally between a Dynomax Super Turbo & an OE muffler are two things: the size of the internal perf tubes, & the Super Turbos have flow directors (bank turns) at each end, & OE's do not, and most other performance mufflers won't either. If you buy a 2.5" in/out Super Turbo, it will have 2.5" flow tubes inside. An OE type muffler with 2.5" inlet/outlet, will usually have 2" dia internals. A CHEAP, crappy turbo muffler (like the Thrush California Boss Turbos) have 2 flow tubes internally & NO packing, plus the flow tubes are smaller diameter. Super Turbos have a fiberglass mat that wraps around the center section of the muffler (you can see it in the photo someone posted), but this mat breaks down in about a year or two, & the mufflers will get louder - especially the 14" ones. Some oval mufflers have two flow tubes, some have 3. The Super Turbos are GOOD turbo mufflers. The Dynomax Ultra-Flow mufflers are straight-through, & they do not "tune" the sound like Super Turbos do, so they sound different than each other. From a flow standpoint, the scfm of a 2.5" 14/20" Super Turbo offset/center is around 410, and a straight-through Ultra Flow is around 1100. There is a HUGE difference in flow, but do you really need the extra flow of the Ultra Flow? Only a few dyno runs could tell you. Bob Karakashian & many of the other guys running in the Pure Stock Drags are using the Dynomax Ultra Flows. Those WAAAAAY outflow flowmasters & all other non straight-through oval mufflers. The stainless Ultra Flows with the stock-style spun-locked heads, flow the same as the Dynomax race series welded construction mufflers - also now called Ultra Flows. The welded series are offered in bigger flowpath & bigger in/out than the stainless ones, so there is more variety. On a closing note, I don't know what the internals are like in the Accurate mufflers, & I don't know who is building them for them - I doubt they have the equipment to build them & especially fab the spun-locked heads. If they do, then that's impressive.

There are quite a few mufflers currently in the Dynomax & Thrush line that I suggested & partially designed. There were also ones that I tried to get them to bring to market, but was unsuccessful. One was reverse flow Super Turbos in 2.25" & 2.5" versions for AAR's & T/A's - the standard oval size but 20" long. *They currently offer these reverse flow mufflers, but they are only 14" long bodies - not long enough. Those were referred to as "fabricator" mufflers. I have been building my own chambered exhaust mufflers & mufflers for AC Cobras since 2002.





I'll take your word for it as an expert, my experience is based on seat of the pants only and I didn't do any testing.

Sometimes a louder exhaust feels faster so maybe that was the effect I was experiencing.

Sometimes the desire is only a targeted change or improvement and the dynomax got me there.

The car was totaled not long afterwards so that ended pretty abruptly.


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Bill,
I have the mufflers you are asking about on my 68 Hemi Road Runner. The 2.5" in/out Dynomax's. You are welcome to come up to the Phoenix area and we can go for a ride if you want??
Chris

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Originally Posted by 2JcodeChargers
Bill,
I have the mufflers you are asking about on my 68 Hemi Road Runner. The 2.5" in/out Dynomax's. You are welcome to come up to the Phoenix area and we can go for a ride if you want??
Chris


Thanks, I ordered a set this morning. So, they will probably be on the car before the Phoenix show next month

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Originally Posted by 2JcodeChargers
Bill,
I have the mufflers you are asking about on my 68 Hemi Road Runner. The 2.5" in/out Dynomax's. You are welcome to come up to the Phoenix area and we can go for a ride if you want??
Chris


Chris the 2.5 in out is the 17748 , Bill was asking about the 17747 with is 2.5 in , 2,.25 out.


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Originally Posted by JohnRR
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Bill,
I have the mufflers you are asking about on my 68 Hemi Road Runner. The 2.5" in/out Dynomax's. You are welcome to come up to the Phoenix area and we can go for a ride if you want??
Chris


Chris the 2.5 in out is the 17748 , Bill was asking about the 17747 with is 2.5 in , 2,.25 out.


John,
747 is 2.25 in and out
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Years ago I had a set of the early Thrush 2.5 inch inlet and outlet turbo muffs on my 1969 Dart GTS with a set of Hooker BB 2.0 inch fenderwell headers feeding into the muffs under the middle of the car with a set of 2.5 inch tailpipes exiting in front of the rear tires. I was testing tire pressure on a new set of M/T 28x10.5x15 slicks at the old LACR 1/4 mile strip, it rana best of 12.23 at 109.+ MPH with the exhaust on the car, I removed it the next morning and it ran 11:39 at 117.6 MPH with no other changes, the D.A. was within 500 FT, it was lower, of the previous evening shock
I later did a similar test with a set of the early Magnaflow crimp muffs that had a 3.0 inch in side inlet with a center outlet , those muffs where 14 inch long ovals with 7.0 inch tall. They were on my last pump gas street and strip Duster with the same headers that were on my 1969 Dart GTS it ran a best of 7.01 ET at 93.4 MPH in the 1/8 mile at Madras, OR with the complete system on, those muffs were mounted behind the rear end and the rear bumper. I remove the complete system and that car ran6.96 at 93.8 MPH best the next day, probably due to the less weight work shruggy
My message is some muffs hurt performance and some don't, bigger diameter pipes are better twocents up


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