Driving in the winter
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01/21/24 04:33 PM
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pro tip .. don't use a new Corvette
The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6
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Re: Driving in the winter
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01/22/24 08:53 AM
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At least they put the cones there to protect it !!! I don't know much about fiberglass but I wonder if the force of the snow coming off a plow combined with the cold temperature would cause the fiberglass on the Vette to crack?
68 Dart 410 / 904 92 D150 original owner 21 Ram 1500 Quad Cab, Big Horn , Hemi ,4x4 23 Audi Q5 16 Honda HRV
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Re: Driving in the winter
[Re: 11secdart]
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01/22/24 09:42 AM
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My 2012 Challenger is horrible in snow. Not that I drive it in the winter, but I have had to move it up and down the driveway for various reasons to get things in and out of the garage and it won't even go up the incline of my driveway without a running start. The damn thing will almost get stuck on wet grass. What really makes me mad even with not driving it in the winter the usual before the rear wheel well has started to rust anyway. Thin ass cheap metal these days for sure.
1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute 1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack 1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi 1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383 1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4 2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4 2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
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Re: Driving in the winter
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01/22/24 10:38 AM
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I have found that traction control and the rest of the similarly designed aids do nothing for you in low traction situations. Other than, I suppose, keep you from getting stupid with it and pulling a Mustang.
Had a huge rainstorm hit just south of Lubbock a few months ago, some 18 wheeler hydroplaned into the median and the highway got shut down. I arrived on the scene right as the cops were shutting the highway down. So in looking for an alternate route to get where I was going google maps, never sufficiently to be damned, redirected me down a county road. The first 30 feet or so was pavement, the rest was caliche. However the transition was underwater and while I was idling thru the water trying to figure out how deep it was I got into the caliche portion of it Now those of you that don't know what caliche is, well it's a cheap, durable "dirt road" material widely used and turns to owl snot in the rain. Those of you that do know what it is are already laughing at what happened next.
Yes, I hit the brakes when I realized it was caliche and not pavement, the plan being I just back out of there. The truck promptly slid right, into the ditch and now I am stopped and leaning right at about a 30 degree angle. I put it in 4wd and tried to get out, no dice, rocking back and forth did nothing but dig deeper ruts under my tires. As I was doing this the traction control light blinks at me, repeatedly, eventually even my tire old noggin was like Mater and the light lit, "what a minute!"
Turned off traction control, put it in 4wd low and proceeded to get myself out of that ditch. Mud flying everywhere, I even had clumps of mud on top of the roof. I drove straight thru the 150 foot long, give or take, "puddle" and got to the part of the caliche road that was not under water. So now I faced a choice, keep on going, trusting Google Maps to know where this road went, or turn around and go back. I turned around and drove thru that puddle once more to get back to the highway.
Technology is great, except for when it isn't. On the occasion it snows around here and actually sticks I take the 51 out and about just because I know how that traction control computer (my brain) is going to behave. Too many times I have had the modern stuff fight me trying to correct a drift. It does the wrong thing when compared to what I am doing. I steer into the drift, the traction control brakes/cuts power and now the truck is going the wrong way or trying to. No thanks,
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Re: Driving in the winter
[Re: Sniper]
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01/22/24 10:58 AM
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We owned a Toyota RaV4 a few years ago. Got caught in the slush on the right shoulder and in the ditch we go. No big deal, I'll rock the car and drive it out. Stood on the accelerator and the motor just "laid down", wouldn't come up to speed. Couldn't get out (oh, did I mention the car was constantly telling me that traction control was active with a chime and a light?) and ended up getting a tow truck.
I go to the Toyota dealership and ask him what is going on? Oh, that's an intentional safety feature to prevent damaging the transmission. I tell him that 1) Toyota should be building better transmissions if the current version can't withstand some "rocking" and 2) if I decide to fry my transmission, that should be my choice. Just got a smile back. Traded that pig off and have never owned a Toyota since.
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Re: Driving in the winter
[Re: 6PakBee]
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01/22/24 12:42 PM
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Not really traction control related but : I used to drive a 4500 International box truck ( it had an automatic trans ) for a chemical company I was doing a delivery to a small waste treatment plant on the western shore of Md. the plant was in the middle of a snowy muddy field I got stuck trying to turn around to back in the gate. I was four hours from the plant I came from and there was nobody at the treatment plant and I knew if I kept spinning I would dig myself in deeper. I was carrying 250 gallon totes of a treatment chemical which I had all the way forward in the truck luckily I always carried an electric skid jack with me I just moved the totes from the front to right over the rear wheels and the truck came right out. I bought a new 1500 quad cab , ,Hemi, 4WD back in 2021 but despite being Ziebart undercoated I still don't want to drive it in the snow or on salty roads, I drive my 2016 AWD Honda HRV its great in the snow and I haven 't been stuck yet .
68 Dart 410 / 904 92 D150 original owner 21 Ram 1500 Quad Cab, Big Horn , Hemi ,4x4 23 Audi Q5 16 Honda HRV
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Re: Driving in the winter
[Re: 11secdart]
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01/22/24 01:38 PM
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My old route truck was a International 4700 that weight about 33000lbs loaded with batteries. I got stuck in the ice at one of my customers. The truck slid against the curb and would only spin the drivers side tire. This old man comes out of his barbershop with a Folgers can full of sand and asked me if I needed any help. He through down about 5 handfuls of sand and I eased the clutch out and drove it right out. I never in a million years though that little tiny amount of sand would have made the difference lol.
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Re: Driving in the winter
[Re: 6PakBee]
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01/23/24 05:22 PM
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We owned a Toyota RaV4 a few years ago. Got caught in the slush on the right shoulder and in the ditch we go. No big deal, I'll rock the car and drive it out. Stood on the accelerator and the motor just "laid down", wouldn't come up to speed. Couldn't get out (oh, did I mention the car was constantly telling me that traction control was active with a chime and a light?) and ended up getting a tow truck.
I go to the Toyota dealership and ask him what is going on? Oh, that's an intentional safety feature to prevent damaging the transmission. I tell him that 1) Toyota should be building better transmissions if the current version can't withstand some "rocking" and 2) if I decide to fry my transmission, that should be my choice. Just got a smile back. Traded that pig off and have never owned a Toyota since. Same thing happened to a buddy with a new Honduh. Got stuck and wouldn't come out just like you described. He had it towed out, but then the car wouldn't go into gear. They put a new trans in under warranty, worked for about a month and did the same thing. Replaced again and sure enough a few months later it crapped out again. He went through the Lemon Law rules and ended up getting a new car. He traded it off for a Chevy a month afterwards. Honduh had given him a letter stating that he could not talk to anyone about the issues or would have to pay for the transmissions...LOL..
The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.
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Re: Driving in the winter
[Re: Rhinodart]
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01/23/24 05:30 PM
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Coming back from Floriduh yesterday pulling my 24' trailer with my 2015 Ram 2WD Cummins it was pretty dicey in the ice in Indiana on Rt. 41. I decided to keep going instead of stopping at a motel because the roads were empty. 45 mph max for the last 3 hours, didn't get home until 3:30 am this morning. 983 miles took me 21-1/2 hours from Lake City, FL to home north of Chicago. with one stop to pick up a chassis in Pensacola. Only slid twice...LOL..
The funny thing about science is that if you change one miniscule parameter you change the entire outcome to the way you want it.
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Re: Driving in the winter
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01/23/24 09:37 PM
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^^^ That reminds me of my Dually spinning its rear tires over bridges when I was towing the racecar across Ohio & Indiana in a blizzard. Heckuva leg on that trip; front of the truck was pretty much solid ice, and about 1 square foot of windshield to see through. Hours of 45-ish tip-toeing along the interstate, which looked like a big-rig junkyard had opened for business on the medians & roadsides the next morning. I really bonded with the truck on that trip, and still have it.
Years ago I drove my 05 Neon about 250 miles to get home in an ice storm. It looked a lot like yours apparently did when I got home, had to shoulder the door a few times to get out. Everything was ice, including the headlights, even though they were on the whole time, even halogens could not generate enough heat to keep them ice free. The antenna had horizontal icicles. Two small holes in the ice on the windshield where the defrost could, just barely, keep an opening to see thru. When ever I floored it in 5th gear the tires would spin, Yep, the old Neon was a torque monster that day, lol.
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