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Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: DAYCLONA] #320648
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I hear they're overly expensive, but can some comment/compare what Just Dashes' panel restoration looks like?

Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: DAYCLONA] #320649
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visually the grain is 1000 times better than that early crap with the pebble finish




Found this on Ebay. Is this the pebble grain you're talking about. Man that's BAD! Looks like 36 grit sandpaper!

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Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: 2fast4yourBrain] #320650
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I hear they're overly expensive, but can some comment/compare what Just Dashes' panel restoration looks like?




How about a picture... the rear ranels were done by Just Dashes... $550.00 in 1996.. The grain isn't even close, the detail line instead of being defined & crisp is rounded over not even close to correct.. Certianly not what they promised.. I've seen them do really decent stuff for high profile cars like KWS's Extreme Lee.. But I haven't seen that level of work on the average enthusists parts...

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Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: 2fast4yourBrain] #320651
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I hear they're overly expensive, but can some comment/compare what Just Dashes' panel restoration looks like?




Yes, it's expensive, and with Just Dashes there is usually a bit of a wait to get them done. Some like them, others say that they look puffy. Their procedure is to glue/vacuum form dash vinyl over your original panels. Same methods they use to wrap the vinyl around dashes. Personally, I'd worry about snagging the vinyl on the door panels getting in & out of the car. Palco panels are ABS which is pretty tough stuff.

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Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: cataclysm80] #320652
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I hear they're overly expensive, but can some comment/compare what Just Dashes' panel restoration looks like?




Yes, it's expensive, and with Just Dashes there is usually a bit of a wait to get them done. Some like them, others say that they look puffy. Their procedure is to glue/vacuum form dash vinyl over your original panels. Same methods they use to wrap the vinyl around dashes. Personally, I'd worry about snagging the vinyl on the door panels getting in & out of the car. Palco panels are ABS which is pretty tough stuff.

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Seems I have to post these every month or so when the questions get asked again. Not trying to be a Just Dashes defender, but I'm pretty happy with what they did for me. True, they are expensive and take a while, but the results are very nice. And there is no danger of snagging anything since the edges are all vacuum-folded over onto the backside. Nor are they "puffy"; just a bit thicker as would be expected from adding a new covering. Grain may not be as crisp and sharply defined as original, but it's a heckuva lot better than the repops. And best of all, no fitment problems since it is original. Take a look for yourself...

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Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: Iceman01] #320653
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Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: Iceman01] #320654
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Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: cataclysm80] #320655
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Found this on Ebay. Is this the pebble grain you're talking about. Man that's BAD! Looks like 36 grit sandpaper!

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Man!,.....I don't know what that is? .....looks like it's been undercoated!

Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: Iceman01] #320656
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I hear they're overly expensive, but can some comment/compare what Just Dashes' panel restoration looks like?




Yes, it's expensive, and with Just Dashes there is usually a bit of a wait to get them done. Some like them, others say that they look puffy. Their procedure is to glue/vacuum form dash vinyl over your original panels. Same methods they use to wrap the vinyl around dashes. Personally, I'd worry about snagging the vinyl on the door panels getting in & out of the car. Palco panels are ABS which is pretty tough stuff.

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Seems I have to post these every month or so when the questions get asked again. Not trying to be a Just Dashes defender, but I'm pretty happy with what they did for me. True, they are expensive and take a while, but the results are very nice. And there is no danger of snagging anything since the edges are all vacuum-folded over onto the backside. Nor are they "puffy"; just a bit thicker as would be expected from adding a new covering. Grain may not be as crisp and sharply defined as original, but it's a heckuva lot better than the repops. And best of all, no fitment problems since it is original. Take a look for yourself...




Is it a vinyl that's covering the door? Does it make it "softer" to the touch than OEM/repop?

Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: cataclysm80] #320657
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I wonder if they offer "Deluxe" interior panels?

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I asked in early February from Legendary the deluxe door panels ans seat backs for a Challenger convertible and at that time they told that they are not anymore selling the deluxe panels from Palco. All what they have is only the standard panels from Accuform.

One friend bought a set of Accuform panels for his vert and they didn't look good, the "grill" for the lights on the rear panels was done with a saw, not in with the mold like should had been.

Have you asked if they really can currently offer the Deluxe Palco panels?


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Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #320658
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Just for comparison purposes, Here's a pic of an original door panel with a Palco rear panel.

Compare it to Randy's (1_WILD_RT) pic of an original door panel with a Just Dashes rear panel.

You can see it a little in this picture. Palco uses pretextured stock sheets to form their panels out of. Where the pretextured sheet gets bent about 90 degrees to form the panel, the grain is stretched with the panel and becomes a little lighter/fainter. This is the biggest problem with their texture/grain.

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Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #320659
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While we're comparing have a look at this one too. It's an original door panel with an original rear panel.

Even though they're both original, they don't exactly line up perfectly.

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Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: Iceman01] #320660
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Here is a pic of a Palco panel that would be good for comparing to the pic Iceman01 posted of his Just Dashes panel.

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Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: cataclysm80] #320661
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These are both Palco panels in this pic.

They DO require some time to fit them to the car. About 4 hours per panel I think, depends on how fast/picky you are. I had to drill a couple holes in the doors when the screw holes didn't line up with the panel, and again for the spring clips at the bottom of the panel. you also have to locate and drill all the holes for your door woodgrain (if your using it), and your remote mirror (if you have one). The spots to drill are Not marked on the back of the panel.

When I put Palco door panels on my 'Cuda about 3 1/2 years ago I had to slightly trim the door handle hole and the armrest pad hole on the panel so everything would fit like it should. I didn't have to do that on these panels.

In the past of heard of people having problems with the Palco door panels & rear panels rubbing together. Mine don't even come close to rubbing, so this is a problem that has been fixed.

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Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #320662
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the rear panels were done by Just Dashes... $550.00 in 1996.. The grain isn't even close, the detail line instead of being defined & crisp is rounded over not even close to correct.. Certainly not what they promised..




The rear Palco panels cost $350.00 in 2008 for a similar incorrect grain & rounded over detail line. + you'll have to spend a little time fitting them to the car.

Randy, has anyone at a show ever noticed that your rear panels were "different" than your door panels? Just wondering.

In my 'Cuda I've had Palco door panels next to original rear panels for about 3 1/2 years and no one has said anything yet. The grain difference isn't noticeable to the casual observer and certainly not from more than an arms length away. You have to really be looking to notice it in my opinion.

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Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: ebodiesonly] #320663
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I wonder if they offer "Deluxe" interior panels?

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I asked in early February from Legendary the deluxe door panels ans seat backs for a Challenger convertible and at that time they told that they are not anymore selling the deluxe panels from Palco. All what they have is only the standard panels from Accuform.

One friend bought a set of Accuform panels for his vert and they didn't look good, the "grill" for the lights on the rear panels was done with a saw, not in with the mold like should had been.




What are you talking about when you say "Grille for the lights?
Any Pics?

Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: 340SIX] #320664
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E body convertibles have a courtesy light inside each rear panel at the bottom that shines through slots in the panel toward the front of the car. It works like the dome light when you open the door (because convertibles don't have a dome light) so that you can see to get in the car.

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Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: cataclysm80] #320665
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Is THIS a common problem on E body door panels?
It's off by 3/8ths.

I have 2 original door panels, 2 Palco door panels, 4 original rear panels, & 2 Palco rear panels, and I get different results depending on how I mix & match. Sometimes even the original panels don't line up with the other original panels.

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My Orginals were redone by Dash Restoration and came back with tons of puffyness and no detail.
But they did my uncles dash perfect so I thought yea the panels will be A-OK but no dice.
I asked for at least a partial refund they said no {ie} I was ripped off.
I got some repops from Dante{he said the good ones and the grain looks good but have no idea on fit.
They proberly have the open slots i just never looked but will this weekend when I get a chance{not stored here}
I can take pics if needed.
I have the under dash light since no dome light forgot about the slots


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Re: E Body Seatbacks Palco Reproduction [Re: cataclysm80] #320667
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Here is a problem that I think is more important than the grain on the panel.

The Palco rear panels don't have any screwholes. How should I recreate these recessed screwholes? I need 3 in each panel.

Should I try to heat the panel & stretch the plastic?

Should I try to glue some extra plastic onto the back of the panel to make it thick enough for me to recess the hole like the original?

What would you do?

(note: the original panel in this pic is a bad example of grain. It is a green panel that has been painted black twice.)

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