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Li battery tech young, can be improved #3205151
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https://www.aol.com/news/factbox-solid-state-ev-giants-060800355.html

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ProLogium Technology of Taiwan said that by the end of 2023 it aimed to ship prototype samples of its semi-solid-state batteries that enable a near doubling of the energy densities of the packs.

The firm, which has a cooperation deal with Mercedes-Benz, Stellantis and TotalEnergies, is building a gigafactory in Taiwan and plans one in France.

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South Korea's Samsung SDI is developing a solid-state battery without an anode and launched production of prototypes last year ahead of expected mass production in 2027.

Honda plans to launch a solid-state battery test line in 2024, aiming to use the batteries in models in the latter part of this decade. It also invested in SES AI to jointly develop semi-solid state batteries.

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Re: Li battery tech young, can be improved [Re: 360view] #3205152
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modern Li batteries do not like COLD

https://www.aol.com/news/tesla-owners-run-trouble-amid-232452188.html

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"I've been here for over five hours at this point, and I still have not gotten to charge my car," said Tesla driver Brandon Welbourne. "A charge that should take 45 minutes is taking two hours."

Welbourne said he saw at least 10 cars towed.

Tesla advises owners to keep the charge level above 20 percent during bitter cold weather.

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Re: Li battery tech young, can be improved [Re: 360view] #3205155
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I saw an article about a solid state battery company in early 2022. I bought ten shares at ten bucks to track it. They lost 90% since then. It was all hype.


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Re: Li battery tech young, can be improved [Re: 360view] #3205166
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Everyone wants fast run charge time I have to think would a longer run time & slow charge be better.
Run 10 hours charge 6 hours could work on two advantages.
1. Less interupted driving then charge while you sleep. Fits a more normalized time for most travelers.
2. Slower charge times may reduce infrastructure load and allow for easier charge station installation.

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https://www.realclearscience.com/bl...ly_cheaper_to_own_maybe_not_1005129.html

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A closer look at EV costs

Maxwell Woody, a research assistant pursuing Ph.Ds in resource policy and behavior and mechanical engineering, led the effort.
He and his colleagues accounted for all the usual costs, such as purchase price, fuel, maintenance, repairs, insurance, annual fees, and financing.

Unlike prior analyses, however, they also:

adjusted for the effect of temperature on fuel efficiency
tracked vehicles over 25-year lifetimes
categorized vehicles by size, range, and type
accounted for different EV charging behaviors,
and explored the cost of ownership in 14 cities from across the U.S.

The findings broadly challenge the optimistic cost-of-ownership assessments frequently touted by EV enthusiasts.

The researchers found that while small and low-range EVs capable of traveling around 200 miles are indeed less expensive to own than their gas-powered counterparts, larger, long-range EVs that can cover 400 miles are more expensive. Midsize SUV EVs — currently the top-selling models by far — only reach cost parity if government incentives are applied.

“EVs are more competitive
in cities with high gasoline prices,
low electricity prices,
moderate climates,
and direct purchase incentives,
and for users with home charging access,
time-of-use electricity pricing,
and high annual mileage,”
the researchers summarized.

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Re: Li battery tech young, can be improved [Re: 360view] #3205191
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Face it manufacturers are "throwing the baby out with the bath water" when it comes to EV's versus ICE and their going to look back as they're starting to and realized they jumped the gun. Hydrogen or Hydrogen Electric IMO.

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My take on the matter, these are only technical problems, nothing is insurmountable with the proper will and effort.

Most people are averse to change, but regardless, eventually they all die off, and here we are. twocents


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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“EVs are more competitive in cities with high gasoline prices, low electricity prices, moderate climates, and direct purchase incentives, and for users with home charging access, time-of-use electricity pricing, and high annual mileage,”

Does this guy also go by "Captain Obvious"?

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Originally Posted by 340Cuda
“EVs are more competitive in cities with high gasoline prices, low electricity prices, moderate climates, and direct purchase incentives, and for users with home charging access, time-of-use electricity pricing, and high annual mileage,”

Does this guy also go by "Captain Obvious"?


With all those obvious things about the technology, those that don’t fit into the list are having a gun held to their head when it comes to vehicle choice. Urbanites, especially in CA, will not face the limitations in life that most other places will.


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I also remember growing up when we were told that the metric system was going to be the ONLY units of measure PERIOD. How did that work out again? I was at the lumber yard today and they did not have ANY 50.8 x 101.6's in stock


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Originally Posted by jcc
My take on the matter, these are only technical problems, nothing is insurmountable with the proper will and effort.

Most people are averse to change, but regardless, eventually they all die off, and here we are. twocents


People are averse to change, but lets be honest, for most people cars are nothing more than a tool that gets them from point A to point B. They don't care if it runs on unicorn farts. What does matter to the masses is convenience. If electric gets the range with the same or less amount of hassle to refuel at similar price points then they'll be adopted it without having to force consumers into them. The push back on electric is because it's a pain in the ass.


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Re: Li battery tech young, can be improved [Re: oldjonny] #3205482
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Originally Posted by oldjonny
I also remember growing up when we were told that the metric system was going to be the ONLY units of measure PERIOD. How did that work out again? I was at the lumber yard today and they did not have ANY 50.8 x 101.6's in stock


I was in that unlucky group of engineers that had to learn how to do all scientific calculations in ALL Three USA, Imperial and Metric systems.

My reloading experience also introduced me to weight in GRAINS.







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