Li battery tech young, can be improved
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https://www.aol.com/news/factbox-solid-state-ev-giants-060800355.htmlsample quote ProLogium Technology of Taiwan said that by the end of 2023 it aimed to ship prototype samples of its semi-solid-state batteries that enable a near doubling of the energy densities of the packs. The firm, which has a cooperation deal with Mercedes-Benz, Stellantis and TotalEnergies, is building a gigafactory in Taiwan and plans one in France. snip South Korea's Samsung SDI is developing a solid-state battery without an anode and launched production of prototypes last year ahead of expected mass production in 2027. Honda plans to launch a solid-state battery test line in 2024, aiming to use the batteries in models in the latter part of this decade. It also invested in SES AI to jointly develop semi-solid state batteries. end quote
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modern Li batteries do not like COLD https://www.aol.com/news/tesla-owners-run-trouble-amid-232452188.htmlsample quote "I've been here for over five hours at this point, and I still have not gotten to charge my car," said Tesla driver Brandon Welbourne. "A charge that should take 45 minutes is taking two hours." Welbourne said he saw at least 10 cars towed. Tesla advises owners to keep the charge level above 20 percent during bitter cold weather. end quote
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I saw an article about a solid state battery company in early 2022. I bought ten shares at ten bucks to track it. They lost 90% since then. It was all hype.
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https://www.realclearscience.com/bl...ly_cheaper_to_own_maybe_not_1005129.htmlsample quote A closer look at EV costs Maxwell Woody, a research assistant pursuing Ph.Ds in resource policy and behavior and mechanical engineering, led the effort. He and his colleagues accounted for all the usual costs, such as purchase price, fuel, maintenance, repairs, insurance, annual fees, and financing. Unlike prior analyses, however, they also: adjusted for the effect of temperature on fuel efficiency tracked vehicles over 25-year lifetimes categorized vehicles by size, range, and type accounted for different EV charging behaviors, and explored the cost of ownership in 14 cities from across the U.S. The findings broadly challenge the optimistic cost-of-ownership assessments frequently touted by EV enthusiasts. The researchers found that while small and low-range EVs capable of traveling around 200 miles are indeed less expensive to own than their gas-powered counterparts, larger, long-range EVs that can cover 400 miles are more expensive. Midsize SUV EVs — currently the top-selling models by far — only reach cost parity if government incentives are applied. “EVs are more competitive in cities with high gasoline prices, low electricity prices, moderate climates, and direct purchase incentives, and for users with home charging access, time-of-use electricity pricing, and high annual mileage,” the researchers summarized. end quote
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My take on the matter, these are only technical problems, nothing is insurmountable with the proper will and effort. Most people are averse to change, but regardless, eventually they all die off, and here we are.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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“EVs are more competitive in cities with high gasoline prices, low electricity prices, moderate climates, and direct purchase incentives, and for users with home charging access, time-of-use electricity pricing, and high annual mileage,”
Does this guy also go by "Captain Obvious"?
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“EVs are more competitive in cities with high gasoline prices, low electricity prices, moderate climates, and direct purchase incentives, and for users with home charging access, time-of-use electricity pricing, and high annual mileage,”
Does this guy also go by "Captain Obvious"? With all those obvious things about the technology, those that don’t fit into the list are having a gun held to their head when it comes to vehicle choice. Urbanites, especially in CA, will not face the limitations in life that most other places will.
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I also remember growing up when we were told that the metric system was going to be the ONLY units of measure PERIOD. How did that work out again? I was at the lumber yard today and they did not have ANY 50.8 x 101.6's in stock
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My take on the matter, these are only technical problems, nothing is insurmountable with the proper will and effort. Most people are averse to change, but regardless, eventually they all die off, and here we are. People are averse to change, but lets be honest, for most people cars are nothing more than a tool that gets them from point A to point B. They don't care if it runs on unicorn farts. What does matter to the masses is convenience. If electric gets the range with the same or less amount of hassle to refuel at similar price points then they'll be adopted it without having to force consumers into them. The push back on electric is because it's a pain in the ass.
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I also remember growing up when we were told that the metric system was going to be the ONLY units of measure PERIOD. How did that work out again? I was at the lumber yard today and they did not have ANY 50.8 x 101.6's in stock I was in that unlucky group of engineers that had to learn how to do all scientific calculations in ALL Three USA, Imperial and Metric systems. My reloading experience also introduced me to weight in GRAINS.
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