Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting #3193354
11/26/23 08:23 AM
11/26/23 08:23 AM
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 553
Kentucky
clovis Offline OP
mopar
clovis  Offline OP
mopar

Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 553
Kentucky
After getting my engine on the run stand and letting it sit a few days between starts, it does seem that it takes 4-5 seconds before it picks up oil pressure so I decided to put in a check valve. Could you guys take a look and see if what I have mocked will work or do I need to take another approach. I thought I remember reading in my other post, that it was beneficial to have it laying horizontal, just worried about the two 90 degree bends.

IMG_4723.jpegIMG_4724.jpegIMG_4726.jpeg

'75 Plymouth Duster
Phase I 451 906/590/2-660 10.75/126
Phase II 451 Stage VI/590/1050 9.82/135
Phase III 383 906/Victor-Pump gas 11.30/119

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,"
Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: clovis] #3193356
11/26/23 09:02 AM
11/26/23 09:02 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,916
A shed in England
Tig Offline
master
Tig  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,916
A shed in England
I tried this way back but the one way valve I used must have been a restriction, I lost around 20 psi when priming with an electric drill. I removed it and never bothered trying anything else, just went to priming with a drill as part of the start procedure. Of course you may have a less restrictive valve but it's worth checking.
For info we are using a dual line, I only lose prime after 6 or so days, any time before that, the load is already on the drill. HTH's up


'74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials.
9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge.
RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03
Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: Tig] #3193372
11/26/23 10:30 AM
11/26/23 10:30 AM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 8,871
Ontario, Canada
S
Stanton Offline
Don't question me!
Stanton  Offline
Don't question me!
S

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 8,871
Ontario, Canada
With a check valve you should no longer have to worry about running the line over the pump. You could get away with a much shorter line running it down and under the pump. The check valve shouldn't care what angle its at.

Using the iron cover ... smart move !!!

Last edited by Stanton; 11/26/23 10:33 AM.
Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: clovis] #3193449
11/26/23 05:27 PM
11/26/23 05:27 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,157
Bend,OR USA
C
Cab_Burge Offline
I Win
Cab_Burge  Offline
I Win
C

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,157
Bend,OR USA
I wonder if it is that pump combination with a stock cover causing your slow to get pressure work confused


Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: Cab_Burge] #3193454
11/26/23 05:59 PM
11/26/23 05:59 PM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 8,871
Ontario, Canada
S
Stanton Offline
Don't question me!
Stanton  Offline
Don't question me!
S

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 8,871
Ontario, Canada
Quote
I wonder if it is that pump combination with a stock cover causing your slow to get pressure


Why would that be the cause ?!?!?

Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: Stanton] #3193492
11/26/23 09:14 PM
11/26/23 09:14 PM
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 553
Kentucky
clovis Offline OP
mopar
clovis  Offline OP
mopar

Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 553
Kentucky
Very good point on being able to able to use a shorter line. I actually have a shorter line with two 90 degree ends. I held it up against the pump and pan and I actually think it may work. It looks like it will have the check valve in a vertical position. If I can get the line to hug the block it should have enough room to where the crossmember isn’t an issue. I will probably try to mock it up tomorrow and post some pictures.


'75 Plymouth Duster
Phase I 451 906/590/2-660 10.75/126
Phase II 451 Stage VI/590/1050 9.82/135
Phase III 383 906/Victor-Pump gas 11.30/119

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,"
Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: clovis] #3193545
11/27/23 06:50 AM
11/27/23 06:50 AM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 672
st.louis,mo.
dart games Offline
mopar
dart games  Offline
mopar

Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 672
st.louis,mo.
putting a loop in the hose fixes a prime problem

Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: dart games] #3193563
11/27/23 08:53 AM
11/27/23 08:53 AM
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,977
Apollo, PA.
B1MAXX Offline
top fuel
B1MAXX  Offline
top fuel

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,977
Apollo, PA.
He doesn't have a prime problem. There is nothing abnormal from his video weeks ago. No engine picks up oil pressure with a tap of the key. Does the engine have oil pressure when running? yep. Is it normal yep. Good to go.

Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: B1MAXX] #3193564
11/27/23 08:56 AM
11/27/23 08:56 AM
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,977
Apollo, PA.
B1MAXX Offline
top fuel
B1MAXX  Offline
top fuel

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,977
Apollo, PA.
He'll probably cause a high rpm starvation problem, with all this bs and blow it up. Ain't no way I'm putting anything between my pump and its oil.

Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: B1MAXX] #3193572
11/27/23 10:22 AM
11/27/23 10:22 AM
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,645
Stuttgart, Arkansas
rickseeman Offline
master
rickseeman  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,645
Stuttgart, Arkansas
Originally Posted by B1MAXX
Ain't no way I'm putting anything between my pump and its oil.

I have to agree with that.


2011 Drag Pak Challenger
Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: rickseeman] #3193580
11/27/23 10:57 AM
11/27/23 10:57 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,996
Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...
gregsdart Offline
master
gregsdart  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,996
Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...
Originally Posted by rickseeman
Originally Posted by B1MAXX
Ain't no way I'm putting anything between my pump and its oil.

I have to agree with that.

My thoughts too. Maybe a dual line system would be fine, with double the volume capacity to start.


8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky
Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: dart games] #3193584
11/27/23 11:27 AM
11/27/23 11:27 AM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 8,871
Ontario, Canada
S
Stanton Offline
Don't question me!
Stanton  Offline
Don't question me!
S

Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 8,871
Ontario, Canada
Quote
putting a loop in the hose fixes a prime problem


If this isn't a loop then please tell us what is !!

However with that said, even with a loop all the oil in the loop below that horizontal line will drain back into the pan - very easily and quickly when its hot. What little is left above the pump is all you have to prime with. Then that long loop as to fill up before you have continuous flow and pressure.

So while a loop is a good thing, you still want the feed line as short as possible. As for that check valve, its pretty fat - I doubt its very restrictive to normal flow.


aaaaa.jpeg
Last edited by Stanton; 11/27/23 11:30 AM.
Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: Stanton] #3193600
11/27/23 12:54 PM
11/27/23 12:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 8,033
Mt Morris Michigan
mopar dave Online content
master
mopar dave  Online Content
master

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 8,033
Mt Morris Michigan
I think what he meant by loop is a 360* loop. Then the oil will stay in the hose closer to the pump.

Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: mopar dave] #3193625
11/27/23 02:01 PM
11/27/23 02:01 PM
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,977
Apollo, PA.
B1MAXX Offline
top fuel
B1MAXX  Offline
top fuel

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,977
Apollo, PA.
My point is all of this is nonsense. loops included, but they can't hurt. Stock internal set up has no loop and pump is in the same location.

Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: B1MAXX] #3193643
11/27/23 02:54 PM
11/27/23 02:54 PM
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 169
Sticky South
R
Rodenteliminator Offline
member
Rodenteliminator  Offline
member
R

Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 169
Sticky South
Put an accumulator on it switch it on while you are cranking, problem solved. Doug


Sorry honey I spent the rent
Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: B1MAXX] #3193648
11/27/23 03:03 PM
11/27/23 03:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,996
Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...
gregsdart Offline
master
gregsdart  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,996
Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...
The problems come when the oil is thick, clearance in the pump may be too much, or the lines on the intake side are larger external, which provide a lot of dead air before oil is pulled into the pump gears . With a. Wide clearance like i found on my BRAND NEW milodon highvolume pump, even a high speed large drill had a very hard time pulling a prime. Once oul drains off the pump rotors too much leakage by the extra clearance caused my deal much grief. Two hours of hand sanding the aluminum pump body to reduce clearance may help. I sanded it down from .004 to .0017 clearance, which should help a great deal. I will reporrt back.


8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky
Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: gregsdart] #3193663
11/27/23 04:02 PM
11/27/23 04:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,566
Motor City
6
6PKRTSE Offline
master
6PKRTSE  Offline
master
6

Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,566
Motor City
I have a hoop or loop, however everyone wants to word it on my dual external line pick with no issues. I also run a Accusump as a primer, or preluber.


1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: B1MAXX] #3193668
11/27/23 04:16 PM
11/27/23 04:16 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,157
Bend,OR USA
C
Cab_Burge Offline
I Win
Cab_Burge  Offline
I Win
C

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,157
Bend,OR USA
Originally Posted by B1MAXX
He'll probably cause a high rpm starvation problem, with all this bs and blow it up. Ain't no way I'm putting anything between my pump and its oil.

I've used two in line oil filters in one of my old dual line Milidon external oil systems with no issue on lubrication on that motor up I don't remember the micron rating of those filters, maybe 100+ micron shruggy
I had a small piece of the rear main seal holder pop off of it when I used to long of oil pan bolts and that small piece got suck up into the oil pump through the stock internal oil pickup and locked that pump up and broke the oil pump drive shaft off at the top of the oil pump drive rotor in the pump on the return road shock whiney work
Murphy loves messing with us stupid drag racers whiney whistling work shruggy


Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: Cab_Burge] #3193703
11/27/23 06:20 PM
11/27/23 06:20 PM
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,977
Apollo, PA.
B1MAXX Offline
top fuel
B1MAXX  Offline
top fuel

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,977
Apollo, PA.
I've seen pumps pick up chunks of block and never snap , and putting a filter in the suction line your crazy realcrazy, What are you protecting with that? Lets see plug the filter destroy my whole engine? At least you stopped trash from getting in your pump. laugh2

Re: External Oil Pump One Way Valve Mounting [Re: B1MAXX] #3193705
11/27/23 06:24 PM
11/27/23 06:24 PM
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,977
Apollo, PA.
B1MAXX Offline
top fuel
B1MAXX  Offline
top fuel

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,977
Apollo, PA.
Heck the factory will bypass the filter on the pressure side before hurting anything.

Page 1 of 3 1 2 3






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1