Mopar breaking it off in customers for small parts!
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The original water pump failed on my '09 Cummins at ~370,000 miles.
I was on the road out of town when it failed so I limped it to an O'Reillys and installed one in the parking lot. Not that difficult or expensive. The pump itself is tiny and about the size of a balled up fist. Two bolts to change it!
Fast forward 30,000 miles and pump fails. No problem, lifetime warranty so I take it back to O'Reillys and got a replacement. 30,000 miles later it's failed again!
I decided enough was enough of the O'Reillys garbage so I went to the Mopar parts department at our local dealer. $400.00 for a pump!
I've been loyal to Mopar over the years but this is incredibly ridiculous!
'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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Re: Mopar breaking it off in customers for small parts!
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Buying OEM vs. getting one from Auto Zone, Rock Auto, etc. you will always pay 3x as much--regardless if it's mopar, subaru, or whatever.
Walking up to the dealership parts counter you will pay even more due to the markup.
Only you can decide if the better OEM quality (theoretically) is worth it to you.
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Re: Mopar breaking it off in customers for small parts!
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I was helping my son change the u joints in his 06 Ram. I beat up the part that bolts to the pinion. I went to our local Ram dealer and they wanted $200 for it. It had a Spicer number on it. There happened to be a mechanic at the counter. He told me to take it to a Spicer dealer and ask them. That was very good advice. They had it in stock for $40. They sold me 2 Spicer u joints and put the whole thing together for $125 out the door. Crazy! I'm trying my luck with an AC Delco unit for 1/2 the price.
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'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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Re: Mopar breaking it off in customers for small parts!
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Buying OEM vs. getting one from Auto Zone, Rock Auto, etc. you will always pay 3x as much--regardless if it's mopar, subaru, or whatever.
Walking up to the dealership parts counter you will pay even more due to the markup.
Only you can decide if the better OEM quality (theoretically) is worth it to you. 3 x the amount?! Try 8x!
'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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Re: Mopar breaking it off in customers for small parts!
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11/09/23 01:02 AM
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I just tried looking this up on Rockauto - why don't they have water pumps for a 5.9 Cummins?
I would think a GOOD (new, not rebuilt) aftermarket pump would be as good as OE??? Did you try NAPA?
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Re: Mopar breaking it off in customers for small parts!
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I just tried looking this up on Rockauto - why don't they have water pumps for a 5.9 Cummins?
I would think a GOOD (new, not rebuilt) aftermarket pump would be as good as OE??? Did you try NAPA? Not sure where you looked but I looked for an 09 2500 with a 5.9 and there must have been 20 choices to choose from.
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When the starter died in my '85 Daytona 2.2 Turbo I had the usual selection of choices for replacement. Rebuilds, third parties, OEM. That starter was such a pain to replace I gulped hard and bought a new one from the Dodge dealer. Never had to change it again. Now contrast this with the NAPA reman alternator on my Dodge minivan, when the first one failed and NAPA replaced it under warranty, and the second one failed, and NAPA replaced it under warranty, and the the third one failed and NAPA replaced it under warranty, I was lucky we got rid of the van.
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Re: Mopar breaking it off in customers for small parts!
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I feel your pain.
Most of the time either Rock Auto, or Amazon, informs who is the OEM manufacturer of a part.
On Amazon try searching the reviews for “OEM”, or “original” or “factory part”
Sadly, just like the Mitsu Zero contained a large number of US or UK invented aero ideas, Denso, partially owned by Toyota, but building many parts for Stellantis, is the maker of replacement auto parts to default to if Denso builds a version of the part.
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Re: Mopar breaking it off in customers for small parts!
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I was helping my son change the u joints in his 06 Ram. I beat up the part that bolts to the pinion. I went to our local Ram dealer and they wanted $200 for it. It had a Spicer number on it. There happened to be a mechanic at the counter. He told me to take it to a Spicer dealer and ask them. That was very good advice. They had it in stock for $40. They sold me 2 Spicer u joints and put the whole thing together for $125 out the door. Crazy! I'm trying my luck with an AC Delco unit for 1/2 the price. When I have to buy parts for my Cummins I go directly to Cummins to get them. My current 98 Ram has a tick over 200K on it , something is making a noise when it's running ... water pump , or one of the idlers , I'm going to swap the pump just because of the miles and the age , my last Cummins the pump took a dump at 230k/11 yrs. ... this one is 25yrs old .
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Re: Mopar breaking it off in customers for small parts!
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I feel your pain.
Most of the time either Rock Auto, or Amazon, informs who is the OEM manufacturer of a part.
On Amazon try searching the reviews for “OEM”, or “original” or “factory part”
Sadly, just like the Mitsu Zero contained a large number of US or UK invented aero ideas, Denso, partially owned by Toyota, but building many parts for Stellantis, is the maker of replacement auto parts to default to if Denso builds a version of the part. They also mix the terminology with matching OEM vs aftermarket parts with quality or performance differences.
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When the starter died in my '85 Daytona 2.2 Turbo I had the usual selection of choices for replacement. Rebuilds, third parties, OEM. That starter was such a pain to replace I gulped hard and bought a new one from the Dodge dealer. Never had to change it again. Now contrast this with the NAPA reman alternator on my Dodge minivan, when the first one failed and NAPA replaced it under warranty, and the second one failed, and NAPA replaced it under warranty, and the the third one failed and NAPA replaced it under warranty, I was lucky we got rid of the van. Last time I bought a aftermarket part for my ram from Advance auto they said they only would warranty the part one time. The warranty doesnt renew for the full time period after replacement only what left on the original part warranty.
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Re: Mopar breaking it off in customers for small parts!
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When the starter died in my '85 Daytona 2.2 Turbo I had the usual selection of choices for replacement. Rebuilds, third parties, OEM. That starter was such a pain to replace I gulped hard and bought a new one from the Dodge dealer. Never had to change it again. Now contrast this with the NAPA reman alternator on my Dodge minivan, when the first one failed and NAPA replaced it under warranty, and the second one failed, and NAPA replaced it under warranty, and the the third one failed and NAPA replaced it under warranty, I was lucky we got rid of the van. Last time I bought a aftermarket part for my ram from Advance auto they said they only would warranty the part one time. The warranty doesnt renew for the full time period after replacement only what left on the original part warranty. Which is much of the reason I quit buying from them. I've been in way too many arguments with the so called manager there. Even a couple of times where that "remainder of original warranty" was supposedly "lifetime". I don't have that problem with any other parts store brand. And when talking about the stealership I hate it when every nut, bolt, clip, o ring has to be gotten separately. I just did an ac compressor on a Ford van chassis/ "cutaway" bus and in the box was just a compressor. No o rings even. I wasn't happy I had to wait until the next day for one flat gasket with rubber insert since it was the only part I couldn't scrounge up around the shop leftover from a previous job. C'mon now, they should be required to include such basic associated parts in such a case
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Re: Mopar breaking it off in customers for small parts!
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Still absolutely ridiculous for the size of this thing! Especially when you consider how many of these were engines were made. It's not like it's a small, limited run.
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Re: Mopar breaking it off in customers for small parts!
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Still absolutely ridiculous for the size of this thing! Especially when you consider how many of these were engines were made. It's not like it's a small, limited run. I agree. Its good the unit is easy to replace. Have you considered a different aftermarket brand? Not all chinese parts wre created Equally. Rock Auto has a good variety: https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/dodge,2009,ram+2500+pickup,5.9l+l6+diesel+turbocharged,1443618,cooling+system,water+pump,2208
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Still absolutely ridiculous for the size of this thing! Especially when you consider how many of these were engines were made. It's not like it's a small, limited run. I agree. Its good the unit is easy to replace. Have you considered a different aftermarket brand? Not all chinese parts wre created Equally. Rock Auto has a good variety: https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/dodge,2009,ram+2500+pickup,5.9l+l6+diesel+turbocharged,1443618,cooling+system,water+pump,2208 I bought an AC-Delco for $200 from a local supply house.
'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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Still absolutely ridiculous for the size of this thing! Especially when you consider how many of these were engines were made. It's not like it's a small, limited run. I agree. Its good the unit is easy to replace. Have you considered a different aftermarket brand? Not all chinese parts wre created Equally. Rock Auto has a good variety: https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/dodge,2009,ram+2500+pickup,5.9l+l6+diesel+turbocharged,1443618,cooling+system,water+pump,2208 I bought an AC-Delco for $200 from a local supply house. Every DIYer should try RockAuto.com. They are a drop shipper that has negotiated fantastic prices on real name brand aftermarket and often OEM parts. An AC Delco water pump thru them for the 5.9 diesel Part number 252318 is $53.00. Shipping is probably $12-$15. No bootleg illegal counterfeit versions like what is often purchased off Amazon.
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It’s been about 4 years when my 06 Ram 4x4 shifting rod fell off (the whole thing gone) so off to dealer l, rod (about 14” long) was $130, the 2 bushing-connectors were $31 apiece. Almost $200 but I bought them. On a whim I looked on line ,yep there it was same thing $12 bushings $3.50 l, wholly crap! So I went back under the truck to remove the high dollar stuff, drop the plyers and lo and behold there lay the original ROD. Those stupid bushings had failed! Anyway the $ parts went back to dealer! I fixed the bushings with special clips instead! But $18 compared to $200 from dealer, same pieces!
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I'm sure most guys know that the majority of these kind of parts are not manufactured by the O.E. Heck, sometimes they are not even designed by the O.E. So, SOME (absolutely not all) aftermarket parts are as good (and a few even better) than the manufacturer's labeled parts.
The challenge is discovering which is and which is not at least as good as the O.E. labeled parts.
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Have to agree somewhat on the factory prices, I had an 07 GT 500 Mustang that had aftermarket springs, it literally was sitting on the frame bumpers. So went to local Ford dealer to order new springs, they said I had to have the Vin number of car!? I had just looked at a King of the Road mustang in the showroom so I used that vin, thinking they would be expensive. Turns out each spring (4) were $31 each. Surprise Surprise, sometimes there is a deal. They did sit lower than stock but well off the bumpers. Who knows what the prior own might have done. I have put many aftermarket lowering springs in many cars over the years and none of them put the car on the bump stop. Someone heating coils with a torch to get it lower though....
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Have to agree somewhat on the factory prices, I had an 07 GT 500 Mustang that had aftermarket springs, it literally was sitting on the frame bumpers. So went to local Ford dealer to order new springs, they said I had to have the Vin number of car!? I had just looked at a King of the Road mustang in the showroom so I used that vin, thinking they would be expensive. Turns out each spring (4) were $31 each. Surprise Surprise, sometimes there is a deal. They did sit lower than stock but well off the bumpers. Who knows what the prior own might have done. I have put many aftermarket lowering springs in many cars over the years and none of them put the car on the bump stop. Someone heating coils with a torch to get it lower though.... Just springs no heat spots, I first made steel cup-spacers to raise off bumpers but front tires still laid in at top, no way to line up the front end correct. The springs were a good 8” in diameter. I think the dude wanted the NASCAR on the ground look. After buying car I was coming up 95 when I ran over a bad joint in road surface, the car literally changed lanes, glad nothing was beside me. It WAS fast, 525 hp to the wheels. Sweet sound from the supercharger!
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