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Re: Surgery for Siatica [Re: 360view] #3141158
04/28/23 09:18 AM
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Thank you. Looks like an interesting book. Seems like treating back issues is an "industry" or "business model" Before I got an approval from my neurosurgeon for a epidural, I had to see the NP, and she said based on my MRI, I should be crawling into the doctors office asking for pain meds. That approach just ticked me off.

Ive taken tramadol many times for diverticulitis. I agree it works great and it's use can be managed quite easily. But I get the feeling physicians are now unable to tell the difference between a legitimate request for pain meds and recreational or addictive uses.

At some point in time I'll have it figured out.

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Originally Posted by 360view
My mother had the worst back x-rays.

Twice, at different MD offices I have heard them say to her:

“Mrs xxxxx, I look at your x-rays and I honestly do not know how you walked in here without help ! “

As a young boss in the 1980s I had employees who injured their backs at work, were slow to heal, and elected for back surgeries.
None ever were able to really recover or be free from pain.

I have had a now deceased family member who had 2 back operations that afterwards she did not feel were successes.

My mother, a doctor’s daughter who had 4 MD grandchildren,
never had back surgery.

She was no stranger to hospitals, had several complicated operations, such as having a fiber threaded up from the leg to the head to pull a clot loose from deep in her brain.

I witnessed two different Hospice MDs do legally required exams on her and both remarked:

“That is a really bad back, it curves in all directions.”

What worked best for my mother was the very special pain reliever
Tramadol.

Tramadol is one of the most complicated drugs.
When you swallow it, the drug is changed six different times before it leaves your body.
It is like taking one pill that contains 7 different “time release” drugs.
Not all 7 drugs are pain relievers.

Tramadol can lower blood sugar level,
even to dangerous levels in some people at relatively low Tramadol doses,
because people’s blood sugar levels vary a lot, and vary by time of day.

Tramadol is generally accepted as the opioid-class drug least likely to cause addiction.

Despite that, many criminal drug smuggling rings use Tramadol to “cut” other drugs to dilute them before sale.

What award winning MD and long time medical school professor
really has studied back problems
and speaks the truth as he sees it?

This one:

https://uncpress.org/book/9781469642253/stabbed-in-the-back/

If you give back doctors 100 of randomly mixed up x-rays of patient backs to read:

50 of which are patients complaining of severe back pain
50 of which are patients with no back pain, but needed an xray for another reason

can the back doctors correctly identify the xrays with back pain?

The book above has the answer.










Re: Surgery for Siatica [Re: varunner] #3141170
04/28/23 10:27 AM
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Two more “teasers” about what Dr Nortin Hadler says in his book:

1. Hadler set out to design a scientific experiment to
“prove to 95% certainty”
that Doctors of Chiropractic were frauds
and their failure at effective treatment of back pain would prove this useless and wasteful fraud.
Hadler’s experimental results surprised him because they showed the opposite, but he honestly went ahead and published his results anyway.

2. Hadler believes strongly that an MD should NEVER
show a back pain patient a X-Ray/MRI/PET scan or similar
and say
“this is the root cause of your pain”
and imply to the patient that
“your pain will never lessen or disappear until we do surgery to change what that scan picture looks like.”
Dr. Hadler believes that the human body can heal, or the brain can change how much pain the patient feels.

Re: Surgery for Siatica [Re: 360view] #3187246
10/29/23 06:41 AM
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Time to update. I finally got my spine surgery. I had a laminectomy on L3-L4, a couple of cysts dissected, and some stenosis removed. 3 day hospital stay. Week 1 was rough, had to use a walker. Week 2 walking pretty good. Week 3 walking and riding a stationary bike. I'm at week 6 now and feel great. No pain or stiffness. So, obviously I'm pretty happy about this. Moral to this story is, if you're not getting relief or don't agree with your doctor, keep looking for an answer. It took me 3 years and 3 different surgeons to find mine

Re: Surgery for Siatica [Re: varunner] #3187414
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Awesome news!

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I am glad to read that!

Re: Surgery for Siatica [Re: 360view] #3187486
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Re: Surgery for Siatica [Re: varunner] #3187494
10/29/23 09:51 PM
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My dad had a minor lower back fusion done years ago when it got to where he could hardly move without getting zapped. They have you up and walking around right away, which seemed both weird and slightly scary at the time. It took him awhile to find the 'right;' doctor as well. Some either act like they don't really want the job, or as if they don't know how to fix it so they error on the safe side and push you down to the next guy. I think they are shopping for easy money patients just as much as the patients are shopping them to be honest. Really annoying. Another relative has a bad lower back issue that needs fixed and has been here and there with different types of scans and multiple visits to specialists and is still looking for the patient/doctor match-up.

Re: Surgery for Siatica [Re: Neil] #3187544
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Yeah, it's sad that in a country so "advanced" getting timely and accurate medical care can be so difficult. My basic strategy was to find 2 doctors with the same diagnosis. The neurosurgeon that did my surgery was a professor at a teaching hospital, VCU in Richmond VA. It's like looking for a contractor, car repair or anything else, you might get lucky at first, but you also might need to look for a long time. Hope your relative finds a solution.

Re: Surgery for Siatica [Re: varunner] #3187587
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In my opinion, you did yourself a great service by continuing to see surgeons until you were convinced you'd been diagnosed properly.
It's great to hear that you're doing so well this soon after surgery. up

Re: Surgery for Siatica [Re: Fat_Mike] #3187920
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