Ignition system wiring
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10/20/23 05:34 PM
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Hello everyone. I have not posted on this site for quite some time. I’ve sold my first race car to my nephew and am now into a different project. I have a’65 Dodge A100 pickup that currently just a bare shell on stands. Now mind you I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed and fight now I’m struggling with is some wiring. I’m using an aftermarket wiring harness so none of the colors match factory wires. That in itself is not the problem. I’m trying to figure where all the wires go in the ignition/starting system. Last night a drew up a schematic of all the devices I believe will be needed, some stock, some not. I bought a slant six electronic distributor kit from Rick Ehrenberg, a 1 wire Tuff Stuff Ford style alternator, and a mini starter from a late model Ram 5.7 pickup with a manual tranny. I’d like to attach the drawing and ask if someone could possibly draw in the missing wires. Just to let everyone know, each component is drawn just as it shows, ie: 1 wire alternator,2 pin ballast, 3 pin neutral safety switch, 4 pin starter relay, 4 pin ECU, and a 6 pin starter switch. What I need to know is how this all gets wired up to function properly. Can anyone do this, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,Steve.
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Re: Ignition system wiring
[Re: AndyF]
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10/21/23 03:07 PM
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nothing compares to a FSM. take Andy's advice and get one. you won't regret doing so. in all the ones i own, i have noticed that they are real close up or down a year or two, so if you can't find the exact year of your ride [or can get a super deal on one a year older or newer], many times the info contained is the same,including the wiring. with that being said, this is no guarantee the info will BE the same, but if you can follow it through, you will be able to decipher the [slight] difference[s] and make it work for you. this is just my personal experience with these things over almost 60 years of playing with this brand. your mileage will vary.
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Re: Ignition system wiring
[Re: moparx]
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10/21/23 10:32 PM
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yes a FSM would be the best way to go and keep the gauge size at least the same as OE tho there might be a few circuits that it wouldn't hurt to go a bit larger. definitely keep the same colors as OE (helps with tuning down the road) & I think you can buy kits with an amount of lengths of multiple colors so that you dont have to purchase multiple spools just to get the colors to match OE. good luck!
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Re: Ignition system wiring
[Re: poison_ivy]
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10/21/23 10:34 PM
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Hello everyone. I have not posted on this site for quite some time. I’ve sold my first race car to my nephew and am now into a different project. I have a’65 Dodge A100 pickup that currently just a bare shell on stands. Now mind you I’m not the sharpest tool in the shed and fight now I’m struggling with is some wiring. I’m using an aftermarket wiring harness so none of the colors match factory wires. That in itself is not the problem. I’m trying to figure where all the wires go in the ignition/starting system. Last night a drew up a schematic of all the devices I believe will be needed, some stock, some not. I bought a slant six electronic distributor kit from Rick Ehrenberg, a 1 wire Tuff Stuff Ford style alternator, and a mini starter from a late model Ram 5.7 pickup with a manual tranny. I’d like to attach the drawing and ask if someone could possibly draw in the missing wires. Just to let everyone know, each component is drawn just as it shows, ie: 1 wire alternator,2 pin ballast, 3 pin neutral safety switch, 4 pin starter relay, 4 pin ECU, and a 6 pin starter switch. What I need to know is how this all gets wired up to function properly. Can anyone do this, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks,Steve. You need to show two connections on the starter ( Battery and Solenoid) and a two wire pigtail off the dist. The rest pretty straightforward. if somebody does not get to it by Monday I will try to squeeze it in Tex Smith published a book on street rod wiring that would cover all the questions. They are available used on sleazebay and Amazon. Please keep u s updated if you resolve this as my time is limited
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Re: Ignition system wiring
[Re: AndyF]
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10/22/23 07:16 AM
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From personal experience, I'd wire the electronic ignition for a 4 pin ballast and 5 pin ECU. That wiring can be used with either style ECU if one has a breakdown.
As for the recommendations to get a service manual, definitely one for the van and not just for the wiring diagram. I'd also recommend one for say a 72 to 75 mopar of some sort so you can copy the ignition system.
Why the Ford alternator?
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Re: Ignition system wiring
[Re: ruderunner]
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10/22/23 02:57 PM
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From personal experience, I'd wire the electronic ignition for a 4 pin ballast and 5 pin ECU. That wiring can be used with either style ECU if one has a breakdown.
As for the recommendations to get a service manual, definitely one for the van and not just for the wiring diagram. I'd also recommend one for say a 72 to 75 mopar of some sort so you can copy the ignition system.
Why the Ford alternator? Do they even make a 5 pin ECU? I haven't seen one since the 70's . here's a quick sketch, not so nice but should get the OP what he was after feel free to correct any errors as I was in hurry
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Re: Ignition system wiring
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10/22/23 05:45 PM
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Since you are starting from a shell you might (for simplicity) get a self-contained ignition and ditch the ballast resistor and ECU. It would be cheaper too.
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Re: Ignition system wiring
[Re: TJP]
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10/23/23 05:31 AM
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That's one reason I recommend doing the 5 pin ECU wiring. Parts availability. With stock stuff, even if the parts store doesn't have it, a pull a part might. I don't think I've bought a new ECU, voltage regulator, alternator etc in years. I just grab used ones when I find them.
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Re: Ignition system wiring
[Re: ruderunner]
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10/23/23 08:39 AM
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That's one reason I recommend doing the 5 pin ECU wiring. Parts availability. With stock stuff, even if the parts store doesn't have it, a pull a part might. I don't think I've bought a new ECU, voltage regulator, alternator etc in years. I just grab used ones when I find them. Been 40 years since a 5 pin ECU was used, finding a good one in a yard is a long, long shot. No one sells working 5th pin ECU's and if you find a new one with a 5th pin it's a dummy pin. While it could happen that the need may arise the odds are you'll win the lotto first.
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Re: Ignition system wiring
[Re: TJP]
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10/23/23 09:36 AM
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Since you are starting from a shell you might (for simplicity) get a self-contained ignition and ditch the ballast resistor and ECU. It would be cheaper too. If your meaning aftermarket like MSD, My issue with them has always been parts availability when the unit cr-ps out or is suspected of doing so, especially when out of town. may have something to do with an experience I had years ago that's been hard to ignore due to the cost incurred. Analog MSD 6AL's are way more available than the Chrysler stuff! Pick up one at a swap meet for less than $100 and keep it in the trunk if you're driving a lot. Personally I've never had one fail in over 30 years. Hook it to a Chrysler distributor and it works perfectly.
'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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Re: Ignition system wiring
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10/23/23 02:15 PM
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Analog MSD 6AL's are way more available than the Chrysler stuff! Pick up one at a swap meet for less than $100 and keep it in the trunk if you're driving a lot. Personally I've never had one fail in over 30 years. Hook it to a Chrysler distributor and it works perfectly.
the Chrysler ECU's are typically available just about anywhere And you just cursed yourself on the MSD failing LOL ( just joking) Although myself, I'd still knock on wood I've been a bit intrigued by the HEI module replacing the ECU. Again it goes back to a costly experience with an aftermarket ignition system many years ago. Parts stores all had the factory parts in stock But I needed A SPECIAL aftermarket rotor.
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Re: Ignition system wiring
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10/23/23 03:13 PM
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Analog MSD 6AL's are way more available than the Chrysler stuff! Pick up one at a swap meet for less than $100 and keep it in the trunk if you're driving a lot. Personally I've never had one fail in over 30 years. Hook it to a Chrysler distributor and it works perfectly.
the Chrysler ECU's are typically available just about anywhere And you just cursed yourself on the MSD failing LOL ( just joking) Although myself, I'd still knock on wood I've been a bit intrigued by the HEI module replacing the ECU. Again it goes back to a costly experience with an aftermarket ignition system many years ago. Parts stores all had the factory parts in stock But I needed A SPECIAL aftermarket rotor. The problem is the modern, replacement ECU's are absolute garbage and it USED to be you could get them anywhere but not-so-much anymore!
'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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Re: Ignition system wiring
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10/23/23 04:20 PM
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Analog MSD 6AL's are way more available than the Chrysler stuff! Pick up one at a swap meet for less than $100 and keep it in the trunk if you're driving a lot. Personally I've never had one fail in over 30 years. Hook it to a Chrysler distributor and it works perfectly.
the Chrysler ECU's are typically available just about anywhere And you just cursed yourself on the MSD failing LOL ( just joking) Although myself, I'd still knock on wood I've been a bit intrigued by the HEI module replacing the ECU. Again it goes back to a costly experience with an aftermarket ignition system many years ago. Parts stores all had the factory parts in stock But I needed A SPECIAL aftermarket rotor. The problem is the modern, replacement ECU's are absolute garbage and it USED to be you could get them anywhere but not-so-much anymore! I don't remember the last time I saw a analog MSD 6AL, much less one for sale, I can get a new Mopar ECU from my local napa in 30 minutes, That fails, then a GM HEI unit is a small wiring change away. You can find the MSD digital AL and then there are the poorly done chinese ripoff 6 AL versions. https://bangshift.com/general-news/...ntify-a-real-msd-6al-ignition-vs-a-fake/
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