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Re: New clutch, SEVERE Chatter from a stop. SOME UPDATES [Re: Sniper] #3170703
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Well, the Mopar pins are at .500" too so your screwed which ever way you go.


Correct except for Robb Robb mc, LINKY and Brewers pins which are sized correctly.

My error was twofold,
1. I did not think about the BH side of the dowel which also has to be reduced. That error pushed the offset portion into the block enough to seize it. but fortunately only on the lower accessible pin. The never seize may have helped wink
2. Again not thinking spank things through I installed the pins with the offset 180 degrees out of where they should have been. spank again.

I am happy to say the new pins are in and the BH is +/- .0035 which is within spec. Amazing how easy things can be when you think things through eyes
Will try for the clutch etc tomorrow beer

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Re: New clutch, SEVERE Chatter from a stop. SOME UPDATES [Re: TJP] #3170733
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I'm confused. +/- .0035". Is that 0.0035" TIR or 0.007" TIR?


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Re: New clutch, SEVERE Chatter from a stop. SOME UPDATES [Re: 6PakBee] #3170805
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Originally Posted by 6PakBee
I'm confused. +/- .0035". Is that 0.0035" TIR or 0.007" TIR?


.007 TIR. previously at .022 TIR eek

Re: New clutch, SEVERE Chatter from a stop. SOME UPDATES [Re: TJP] #3170812
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Originally Posted by TJP
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https://www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/bellhousing-dowel-pins?

the only drawback with those dowel pins, they are .500, while the mopar pins are .495-.496.
that extra .004 in diameter will prove to be fun installing them, then the bellhousing or transmission case holes may need enlarging by a few thousandths so the pins fit there.


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Re: New clutch, SEVERE Chatter from a stop. SOME UPDATES [Re: moparx] #3170919
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Originally Posted by moparx
Originally Posted by TJP
Originally Posted by moparx
https://www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/bellhousing-dowel-pins?

the only drawback with those dowel pins, they are .500, while the mopar pins are .495-.496.
that extra .004 in diameter will prove to be fun installing them, then the bellhousing or transmission case holes may need enlarging by a few thousandths so the pins fit there.


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As soon as this clutch is in I'll let you see my taillights. Might want to put some GPS trackers on your doors πŸš€πŸ’¨πŸ€£πŸ»

Re: New clutch, SEVERE Chatter from a stop. SOME UPDATES [Re: TJP] #3170923
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Checked the parallelism of the face of the BH to the FW and found it to be at .011". Manual calls for .008 max. I did note the paint appeared to be applied unevenly and more so at the lower where the high reading was. Wire brushed all the paint off and Golly Gee Gomer, it dropped to .004 rolleyes up.
Clutch and PP in and torqued (PITA with the BH in place) so trans tomorrow and hopefully figure out the Z bar alignment. the BH bracket from brewers is different (alignment wise) than the one that was in the car so I'm 🀞🀞 andπŸ™ as I'm getting tired of BUBBA at this point sleep sleep beer

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Sucks, but I really think all the new stuff was only way to get to a resolution here.


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Re: New clutch, SEVERE Chatter from a stop. SOME UPDATES [Re: TJP] #3171005
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Originally Posted by TJP
Originally Posted by 6PakBee
I'm confused. +/- .0035". Is that 0.0035" TIR or 0.007" TIR?


.007 TIR. previously at .022 TIR eek


Thanks for the clarification. up


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Re: New clutch, SEVERE Chatter from a stop. SOME UPDATES [Re: 6PakBee] #3171062
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glad it's finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. up
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Re: New clutch, SEVERE Chatter from a stop. SOME UPDATES [Re: moparx] #3171082
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Originally Posted by moparx
glad it's finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. up
beer


Hoping it's not an oncoming Santa Fe whistling I won't rest easy until I try the clutch with the motor running πŸ€žπŸ€žπŸ™πŸ™

Thanks to all for their support through this fun adventure. i have one more to look at after this and that will be pretty much it for customer cars. IF that one gets to messy I'm gonna bail on it. at 69 YO, I want to get back to it being a hobby and spend some time with the wife wink
But then I will have a butt load of tools, parts and inventory to get rid of frown

Re: New clutch, SEVERE Chatter from a stop. SOME UPDATES [Re: Sniper] #3171269
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Well, the Mopar pins are at .500" too so your screwed which ever way you go.


I know you love a good fight , even when you are wrong ... the mopar pins are NOT .500 ... the aftermarket has been selling the wrong ones forever .


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Originally Posted by JohnRR
Originally Posted by Sniper
Well, the Mopar pins are at .500" too so your screwed which ever way you go.


I know you love a good fight , even when you are wrong ... the mopar pins are NOT .500 ... the aftermarket has been selling the wrong ones forever .


iagree They are .496"

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https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mop-1122532


Brand:
Mopar Replacement
Manufacturer's Part Number:
1122532
Part Type:
Bellhousing Dowel Pins
Product Line:
Mopar Replacement Transmission Housing Dowel Pins
Summit Racing Part Number:
MOP-1122532
Dowel Pin Offset (in.):
None
Dowel Pin Length (in.):
0.750 in.
Dowel Pin Diameter (in.):
0.500 in.
Quantity:
Sold individually.

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Regardless of what Summit says, it's been documented here in prior threads that .496 is the correct size.

Re: New clutch, SEVERE Chatter from a stop. SOME UPDATES [Re: topside] #3171523
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Originally Posted by topside
Regardless of what Summit says, it's been documented here in prior threads that .496 is the correct size.


Sniper, Directly from Brewer's site

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I think what is being said here is that even the mopar ones are wrong.

Re: New clutch, SEVERE Chatter from a stop. SOME UPDATES [Re: Sniper] #3171603
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Originally Posted by Sniper
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mop-1122532


Brand:
Mopar Replacement
Manufacturer's Part Number:
1122532
Part Type:
Bellhousing Dowel Pins
Product Line:
Mopar Replacement Transmission Housing Dowel Pins
Summit Racing Part Number:
MOP-1122532
Dowel Pin Offset (in.):
None
Dowel Pin Length (in.):
0.750 in.
Dowel Pin Diameter (in.):
0.500 in.
Quantity:
Sold individually.


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still WRONG ....


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Re: New clutch, SEVERE Chatter from a stop. SOME UPDATES [Re: JohnRR] #3171642
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Ones listed at .500 are just advertising they are incorrect.


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Clutch and trans are installed, Z bar still not straight across or level. The motor mount studs on the L and bolt on the R are all the way down on both sides. I have discovered the motor is not sitting level (leaning to the L (drivers side). The mounts and K frame appear correct.
If I raise the L side and level the motor it helps a lot with the Z bar leveling out but I am puzzled as to why it's sitting so low on both sides and how to raise the L side other than shimming it up. Normally one can "rock" the motor to level it on the mounts but in this case they are both at the bottom so the rocking idea's not going to work. Maybe it's a BB dart thing ? has anyone run into this before?
I can
1. Shim the motor till it's level which appears to be the root cause.
2. Move one of the Z bar ball studs, but I really prefer to find a correct the root cause
A couple of pic's of the K frame and Mounts that are in the car. Note the R mount has limited adjustment with one long bolt while the L has a lot with the slotted holes in the k frame that the studs go through
Any suggestions/ comments/ experiences?
Thanks beer

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Re: New clutch, SEVERE Chatter from a stop. SOME UPDATES [Re: JohnRR] #3171727
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Originally Posted by JohnRR
Originally Posted by Sniper
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mop-1122532


Brand:
Mopar Replacement
Manufacturer's Part Number:
1122532
Part Type:
Bellhousing Dowel Pins
Product Line:
Mopar Replacement Transmission Housing Dowel Pins
Summit Racing Part Number:
MOP-1122532
Dowel Pin Offset (in.):
None
Dowel Pin Length (in.):
0.750 in.
Dowel Pin Diameter (in.):
0.500 in.
Quantity:
Sold individually.


argue shout runaway no blah laugh2

still WRONG ....


Just telling you how they are listed, won't be the first time they sold something that didn't fit and I am not going to buy a set to see if the listing is wrong.

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