Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
comp 829-1 roller lifter assembly #315569
05/11/09 11:22 PM
05/11/09 11:22 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 684
Milwaukee
ToddP Offline OP
super street
ToddP  Offline OP
super street

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 684
Milwaukee
broke a harland sharp 1.5 big block rocker arm today.

the roller lifter has come apart in the valley, the puck where the pushrod goes, has popped out of the lifter assembly. Is this lifer bad?
Or can the "puck" be reset into the lifter?
Comp 829-1 roller lifter.

Re: comp 829-1 roller lifter assembly [Re: ToddP] #315570
05/11/09 11:27 PM
05/11/09 11:27 PM
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 6,293
Rock Springs
Bob_Coomer Offline
master
Bob_Coomer  Offline
master

Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 6,293
Rock Springs
I notice during a cleaning slight air pressure will pop those right out. So they should be good to go, after a clean bill of health for the rollers is determined.


[color:"red"]65 Hemi Belvedere coming soon [/color]
[color:"#00FF00"]557" Indy engine 1.07 60ft 144mph in the 8th 2100 lbs package [/color]
Re: comp 829-1 roller lifter assembly [Re: ToddP] #315571
05/11/09 11:30 PM
05/11/09 11:30 PM
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 6,446
NJ-USA
H
HPMike Offline
master
HPMike  Offline
master
H

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 6,446
NJ-USA
It's common. I have had some pull out by the suction effect of just pulling a pushrod out of the lifter body.

The o-ring on the "disc" holds it together, but it doesn't take too much to get them to come apart. I attempted to buy some spare o-rings from CC, but they don't sell them. I didn't have anything that matched, but I am sure they aren't some oddball size. Check everything thoroughly for damage and clean the parts. Use some loctite or a bit of epoxy to put it back together.

They are a good product, but it would be a little more comforting if these had a better design for retention of the seat.

MB

Re: comp 829-1 roller lifter assembly [Re: ToddP] #315572
05/12/09 01:08 AM
05/12/09 01:08 AM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,230
Bend,OR USA
C
Cab_Burge Offline
I Win
Cab_Burge  Offline
I Win
C

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,230
Bend,OR USA
You should check that lifter very closely for damages to the needles in the roller wheel and on the axle, rub the lifter across your palms several times and see if you can feel any roughness or tight spots or lock ups as you roll it, press hard also you can also use your thumb or fingers to roll the wheel of the roller and feel for roughness or flat spots on the needles or axle. Clean them in solvent and dry them first


Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
Re: comp 829-1 roller lifter assembly [Re: Cab_Burge] #315573
05/12/09 07:29 AM
05/12/09 07:29 AM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 684
Milwaukee
ToddP Offline OP
super street
ToddP  Offline OP
super street

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 684
Milwaukee
Thanks for the info, I am going to try to use a 4 finger graber to retrieve and re-set the puck in the lifter.With the intake still on, as it is a stage vi intake that is Yamabonded on. ( hard to remove).

If not, I will have to pry the intake off..then a check of the needle bearings would be in order.

Also if one rocker broke, is it just a matter of time before the rest start to break?




Re: comp 829-1 roller lifter assembly [Re: ToddP] #315574
05/12/09 08:13 AM
05/12/09 08:13 AM
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 6,446
NJ-USA
H
HPMike Offline
master
HPMike  Offline
master
H

Joined: May 2005
Posts: 6,446
NJ-USA
Todd;

Might be an optical illusion from the pic, but it looks like your pushrods may be too short(adjuster sunk into the locknut)??

MB

Re: comp 829-1 roller lifter assembly [Re: HPMike] #315575
05/12/09 10:44 AM
05/12/09 10:44 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,930
Odessa, Tx.
cudarex Offline
master
cudarex  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 2,930
Odessa, Tx.
Quote:

Todd;

Might be an optical illusion from the pic, but it looks like your pushrods may be too short(adjuster sunk into the locknut)??

MB



That's what I was thinking. Should be 2 threads max inlieu of the 5 I see.

Re: comp 829-1 roller lifter assembly [Re: cudarex] #315576
05/12/09 12:03 PM
05/12/09 12:03 PM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 12,675
Columbia, CT
M
moper Offline
I Live Here
moper  Offline
I Live Here
M

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 12,675
Columbia, CT
Looks to me like the rocker broke accross the hole, there's not that much sticking out the actual original bottom. Question is why did that one break? What are the springs like? What cam? ANy cahnce the valve is bouncing on the seat? Did the roller pop out of it's bore?


Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
Re: comp 829-1 roller lifter assembly [Re: moper] #315577
05/12/09 07:46 PM
05/12/09 07:46 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 684
Milwaukee
ToddP Offline OP
super street
ToddP  Offline OP
super street

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 684
Milwaukee
I wish I new why it broke, About 8000 street driven miles on used rockers. 3 years in service.
Idles @ 800rpm in gear. (this may be too low)

A custom Dwayne spec. comp solid roller with mild ramps. 200lbs on the seat 650lbs open spring pressure. comp 999 springs..630" lift.

Funny thing is I have never had to adjust the lash after initial setting. I check lash at least 2 times a year. .024" cold lash.

Rocker broke while @ 30 mph ,light throttle 1300rpm.

Valve train has always been very quiet.

The lifter did not pop out of the bore.

Re: comp 829-1 roller lifter assembly [Re: ToddP] #315578
05/12/09 10:13 PM
05/12/09 10:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
B
BradH Offline
Taking time off to work on my car
BradH  Offline
Taking time off to work on my car
B

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 15,439
Val-haul-ass... eventually
Quote:

... 8000 street driven miles on used rockers... 200lbs on the seat 650lbs open spring pressure...



I don't think you have to look too hard to see why your rockers are ready for replacement.

Re: comp 829-1 roller lifter assembly [Re: ToddP] #315579
05/12/09 11:02 PM
05/12/09 11:02 PM
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,131
Thigh-Gap Junction
@
@#$%&*! Offline
New user name, Same old jerk!
@#$%&*!  Offline
New user name, Same old jerk!
@

Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,131
Thigh-Gap Junction
You should at least pull all the rockers and look for cracks where the one broke. It starts with a small crack that grows until there isn't enough material to handle the load, then it breaks.
Cory

Re: comp 829-1 roller lifter assembly [Re: BradH] #315580
05/12/09 11:23 PM
05/12/09 11:23 PM
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 19,318
State of confusion
T
Thumperdart Offline
I Live Here
Thumperdart  Offline
I Live Here
T

Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 19,318
State of confusion
Things break and you said you got em used so who knows. I`ve been running my harlands on the street for over four years and have over 150 passes on em w/200-210 seat and 525-540 open pressures and they looked good when I changed springs but now that I stepped up to 235-240 and 580+ maybe now the`ll let go also.


72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
Re: comp 829-1 roller lifter assembly [Re: Thumperdart] #315581
05/13/09 07:17 AM
05/13/09 07:17 AM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 12,675
Columbia, CT
M
moper Offline
I Live Here
moper  Offline
I Live Here
M

Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 12,675
Columbia, CT
Like Brad.. I'd say time for new rockers. I don't think I'd go Harlands for 650 lbs open stuff. With that much, the valve ain't bouncing... that's for sure. But I think it's time.


Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
Re: comp 829-1 roller lifter assembly [Re: ToddP] #315582
05/14/09 01:43 AM
05/14/09 01:43 AM
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,242
State of retirement
5
52savoy Offline
master
52savoy  Offline
master
5

Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 4,242
State of retirement
"A custom Dwayne spec. comp solid roller with mild ramps. 200lbs on the seat 650lbs open spring pressure. comp 999 springs..630" lift."..

Are you saying you have a cam with .630 lift? That seems like a lot of spring pressure for .630 lift, if that's what you have. An old super/stock racer taught me years ago that too much spring pressure kills horsepower...but then that's another post discussion..

Re: comp 829-1 roller lifter assembly [Re: 52savoy] #315583
05/14/09 07:17 AM
05/14/09 07:17 AM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 684
Milwaukee
ToddP Offline OP
super street
ToddP  Offline OP
super street

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 684
Milwaukee
Dwayne did not spec out the springs. These were again used springs that came with the used heads.
Dwayne did a valve job and flowed a few ports.

Cam specs.int 4149 lobe 260*
ex 4020 lobe 266*
lobe sep 114*


I double checked comps web site for 999 spring info. 196 lbs. closed and 608lbs@.650" lift.
I am sure the pressure is lower, with as many of miles.

I did check all the rockers for signs of stress cracks. Looks ok?

I feel lucky for as little damage that appears.

New rocker will be here friday.







Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1