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Re: 700 hp default combo?
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ummm...not to pick a fight...but running 9.90's at 133 at 3400 pounds is far from 700 ponies...our smallblock runs those numbers or a hair quicker at pretty much the same weight...no where near 700 ponies
Sorry I have never dynoed the motor and the last time I weighed it it was 3490 but that number came from an e.t. to horsepower calculator sorry if you don't believe the power but this is a footbrake car with 4.30's. But it is pretty close. This wasn't a best e.t. either it was just my first time to the 1/4 mile with this motor.
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
[Re: rickstershemi]
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I have found a few new victors on fleabay for $1,399.00 a set with springs....?????
The don't come w/ springs from Edelbrock. And whether you get the ones that come w/ valves or not, they still need to have the guides clearanced and an actual valve job done, not the 45-deg. "slash cut" that Edelbrock puts on the inserts simply to give the valves something to butt up against during shipping.
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
[Re: AndyF]
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... if you combine pump gas + real world driving + full exhaust it starts to get tough. The cam choice becomes very critical.
No doubt...
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
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10/10/06 05:43 PM
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edit..moparts calculator
3350..134.71...639
3490..133.50...648....ya got me 
I'm also curious what the altitude #s are for the tracks where ChallyL427 races. From what I recall, a lot of those Texas tracks aren't at sea-level like HRP is, and some of them are pretty darn "up there" compared to the coastal region.
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
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10/10/06 05:59 PM
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The don't come w/ springs from Edelbrock. And whether you get the ones that come w/ valves or not, they still need to have the guides clearanced and an actual valve job done, not the 45-deg. "slash cut" that Edelbr
Edelbrock #77929 Victor Big Block Chrysler Bare heads with Valves. This Listings is for Bare Heads with Valves. These heads are supplied with valves, HAVE finished Guides, and Valve JOB done from EDELBROCK. These heads require offset rocker arms for the intake ports; use Mopar Performance .485" offset intake rockers. The exhaust side will accept standard-spec rockers.
Intake and Exhaust Valves Included. The best standard port location head available for competition big-block Chryslers
Intake ports are raised .650", exhaust ports are raised .250" for improved flow
Will fit existing Victor manifolds for both high and low deck engines
Standard 15-degree valve angles
280cc intake ports and 100cc exhaust ports
Raised valve cover rails and dual quench 75cc combustion chambers
Sold without springs or retainers- use recommended springs to match your cam
Can be machined to match Max Wedge ports.
Sorry it was Valves, not Valve Springs...
My take was this 700hp build was supposed to be an inexpensive off the shelf type of build, without extensive machining, porting, etc...???
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
[Re: AndyF]
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10/10/06 08:07 PM
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difference between EZ, SR and -1 heads. My take on it is that if the EZ heads will get you the number you're shooting for then that is the way to go.
I think I could have netted the same result using any of these heads...I used the 440-1's simply because I already had them, and I also wanted to leave some HP on the table for a later upgrade, plus I also thought the bigger port volume might be better for that 175 Shot of laughing gas I plan on tossing at it 
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
[Re: rickstershemi]
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10/10/06 09:44 PM
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I do quite a few edelbrocks and every set needs the guides clearanced, good valve job, resurfacing and new springs to be acceptable.
Still, they are a good value and a decent casting. better to buy them bare and set them up correctly.
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
[Re: rickstershemi]
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10/11/06 01:23 AM
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Great thread Andy.. While I agree that the EZ's are more than capable of reaching the #, and definitely more economical...The "Default Combo" would probably include Indy 440-1's simply due to the huge numbers of these heads already in racers hands! I'd venture to guess that a larger group of racers looking to move into the 700HP range, will be putting strokers under thier existing heads, rather than putting larger heads on existing shortblocks. In my case, I absolutely love my 440 with Edelbrock Performers, M-1, and 304/640 ultradyne solid. With a best of 9.96-133 on the motor in a 2880 lb Challenger, and around 129-130 in SST, it has served me well for 5 seasons. So I want to step up without robbing anything from that engine, allowing it to serve as a back-up or for another project. Here's what I have so far to that end: '70 RB Block, 4.350 bore, tall fill, BRC aluminum Caps & ARP Studs. OOTB 440-1 heads: they will be prepped, and cleaned up by my machinist. 1150 Dominator, Milodon Dragster pan w/ single line system, 2 1/8 headers My plan was to use the 4.25/7.1(2.2 journal)/Ross flattop kit from 440 Source. I don't have an Intake yet, I was considering a 440-2 since I already have an adapter which has 2 stages of N20 plumbed in, hood clearance may be an issue however, so the 440-3 with a fogger may be the answer?? The 3X is out of the question...it'll never fit. After watching my brother struggle to keep Indy rockers alive on his 504..(he finally made a whole season this year..by dumping his roller cam, and going with, you guessed it  A .620 MP Solid!!) I'm definitely getting T&D's..So do I get 1.6, 1.65, 1.7?? Next question is Cam...I have a 280/282 @.50 .660 lift roller (w 1.5) 108 LSA available on the shelf...I'd really love to get it done with a solid though. The goal is this: I'd like to go 8.99-148 once on motor, In my 2880 lb Challenger with a 1.76 Glide, and 9 inch converter, 4.30 gear. Consistant 9.10-9.30's would be fine, 142 mph in 10.90, 144 mph in 9.90 trim. Is that doable with a default 700 hp combo?? do I need more? Can I hit it with any N20 at all without grenading it??
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
[Re: AndyF]
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Andy, i don't know about 700 hp, but i have what i believe would be a very reliable 800 hp combo in my head, based on parts i have used.
499 low deck shortblock , BME aluminum rods with a small dome piston for at least 13/1 compression.
Indy 440-1 heads, cnc ported, dominater single four
Isky RR735 roller with jesel rockers, comp 947 springs.
Put this in a 3000 lb package and go 9.10s all day long at 7200 rpm, faster if you don't live in minnesota!.
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
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10/11/06 04:08 PM
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I guess my point with the thread was to lay out a moderate cost solution for the guy who was starting with nothing more than a bare block.
What does one consider "moderate cost" for this build in total dollars spent....????
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
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I haven't seen any Victor heads on the dyno yet but I really doubt that they are going to go 700 hp OOTB with an OOTB Victor manifold on a 505 shortblock.
By the time you port them to max wedge size and buy the special offset rocker arms you'll most likely have as much in them as a set of ported EZ heads.
As soon as someone has dyno info and prices then we'll know if the Victor's are a good deal or not.
Our 451 made 659hp and 633 tq with sr heads with nothing but a little cleanup work under the valves using a m1 untouched intake. I'd think a 505 should go 700 easy.
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Re: 700 hp default combo?
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ummm...not to pick a fight...but running 9.90's at 133 at 3400 pounds is far from 700 ponies...our smallblock runs those numbers or a hair quicker at pretty much the same weight...no where near 700 ponies
His rwhp should be about 640hp. My guess is about 765hp flywheel.
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...3490 is heavier than 3400...lol...footbraking it wont make it any slower though...the duster will run identical laps off foot or brake...assuming hook.....i have just been using ryans moroso calculator for power"guesses"134 mph at 3350 pounds is 618 ponies...we ran 134.71 last weekend so i am guessing 630ish.....
