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Re: CO2 in bedroom affects sleep, claims Danish [Re: DrCharles] #3143238
05/08/23 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DrCharles
Originally Posted by 360view
Originally Posted by DrCharles
Originally Posted by 360view
[quote=A39Coronet]
and the latest medical “buzzword” - 2.5 micrometer air pollution particles

Actually that's not new, and it's not a "buzzword" either. A brief lecture: wink

My late toxicology professor used to say back in the 90's about lab air pollution experiments, "Rats can't inhale rocks". In other words, really large particles don't make it into the nose. Particles big enough to stay in the airstream are trapped in the mucus of the upper airways starting at the nose, and usually swallowed or ejected. Really tiny particles (less than 0.5 um) go in and out of the lungs with the air. But those around 2.5 um get sucked in and stick in the alveoli, the microscopic lung sacs where the actual exchange of oxygen and CO2 takes place.

That is why that particular size is important. Especially if they are carcinogenic materials (chemical or alpha-emitting radioactive) that stay in the lung for life and keep building up with exposure over time.


I am interested -2.5 micrometer particle science.
Buzzword to me means “suddenly very much in abstracts” not utterly false.

I have been involved in particle air pollution since 1975 when I was required by law to take a course in “Black Lung” disease due to the new regs in the 1968 Mine Safety and Health law. I decided then, at my Grandfather’s urging, to start wearing a N95 masks/respirators. I have now worn N95s countless hours. My first job underground was as “Curtain Man & Cable Puller” which puts you in the thickest dust. It was known then that Coal has Uranium and Thorium naturally in it., plus Silica varieties, which can cause lung cancer. Some coal seams have layers of volcanic ash mixed in.

In school I had Professors who were involved in the local problem of “Brown Lung” from cotton dust in the many textile mills of the Carolinas, and many mill workers also smoked the cigarettes that were turned out by the Billions in the Durham cigarette factories.

In 1978 I had to take British National Coal Board dust protection and abatement training too.
The NCB is correctly proud that they pioneered mine dust health.
They call it Pneumoconiosis rather than “Black Lung.”
I asked my instructor why the UK standard for dust was 4 milligrams per cubic meter, whereas in the USA the legal limit was 2 milligrams per cubic meter.
He laughed, then walked over to stand over me where I was sitting, and replied loudly in a room of several dozen Newcastle and Yorkshire area miners -
“I was there in the USA as an expert witness. Your Senator Ted Kennedy said, if the British say 4 prevents Black Lung, then I am gonna write our law at 2. I guess Ol’ Teddie was in a hurry, musta had another beach date with a hot teenager.” This got a big laugh.

If really small particles can go directly from air through thin tissue to blood in the lungs, and then can cause diseases, including brain diseases such as dementia where these tiny particles must also pass through the blood-brain barrier, that is scary.

Air pollution is super bad in China and Chinese researchers suspect it does happen.

A huge number of people cook inside over dung fires, or wet, high ash, waste coal fires that don’t have efficient combustion,
and that air pollution is perhaps the worst I have witnessed.

In the 1970s the National Coal Board in the UK designed highly scientific fireplaces and furnaces under the “Real Fire” trade name.
Those were actually smokeless. Very impressive. All gone now.


That's an impressive TL;DR lecture despite what appears to be a non-medical CV (how exactly are you "involved" in air pollution since your black lung course in 1975?), but also entirely irrelevant to the issue the OP raised. haha


Mainland China estimates high PM 2.5 pollution killing 1,400,000 of its citizens per year

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-05-highlights-health-hazards-air-pollution.html

Re: CO2 in bedroom affects sleep, claims Danish [Re: 360view] #3188588
11/03/23 07:58 PM
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I have never bothered to measure the CO2 levels in my house, but I have made sure to have fresh air from outside.
I don't have a thermostat or ventilation in the bedroom, but the ritual of cracking open a window, even just a touch in winter, is for me an essential part of creating a suitable environment for sleep.

But besides clean air, I've also invested some money in creating a comfortable sleeping environment. I've been sleeping on a Pluto pillow, which has truly upped my comfort, and a Leesa Studio mattress, which is great for all sleep positions.

To top it all, I've gone for minimal lighting, and my bedroom is as tech-free as possible. No TV, no laptops. Just a simple digital clock.


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Re: CO2 in bedroom affects sleep, claims Danish [Re: David Lee] #3188664
11/04/23 06:01 AM
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I had never heard of a Pluto Pillow - looks interesting.

I am presently sleeping with the small size “Travel Pillow” made by MyPillow
which has been the best I have tried.

I recently had to take 14 days of the strong antibiotic Clindamycin for a tooth infection
and have not been sleeping as good,
perhaps because the “broad spectrum” antibiotic wiped out some of the “good bugs in the gut”.

Good and bad gut bugs have certainly been in the medical news.

Since year 1906 medical researchers have beeb trying unsuccessfully to transfer Alzheimer’s disease
by taking some kind of sample from a human
and then infecting a animal with it to give the animal Alzheimers disease,
and here is how they finally successfully did it:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20231017/Gut-microbiota-linked-to-Alzheimers-disease.aspx

I have not pulled the trigger on buying the new cheaper CO2 and PM 2.5 um meters for home use
because the Amazon reviews have been so critical.

If only they would sell a gas meter that would do double duty - home air measurement and engine tailpipe exhaust analysis?

wink

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