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Re: Strange rivets
[Re: srt]
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03/13/23 07:58 PM
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Reply to srt: I don’ t think there were any emission controls in 1968. The car has no headrests and has the full set of shoulder and lap belts. I bought a ECS exhaust and the resonators and mufflers from Accurate, but the bends in the latter parts are not right for the exhaust, so I will install them later. The resonator hangers are still there and are original from the time I got the car. The k member is original, you have to explain what the trunk lip is, but the original gasket is still there. Lastly. The radiator support was damaged in an early accident andI when I bought another one, I realized it was a 68 type, not 69, and that’s what is in now.
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Re: Strange rivets
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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03/14/23 10:45 AM
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I thought the turn downs were a noise control thing, not emissions Exactly, along with a dual snorkel "silenced" air filter cover on most vehicles.
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Re: Strange rivets
[Re: robertop]
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03/14/23 12:40 PM
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idk how widespread (vs only CAP) the vac advance on 68's is apparent on CA Hemis (and other?) chrysler hp cars. Big write-up here /click It was common the factory stuff was torn off and lost. In the mid and late1980's anyone obtaining a smog certificate transferring a so equipped car had a kit installed that basically plugged the dist vac port and the mechanical advance had to be relied upon. p.s. Fuel for thought. If the car was not pieced together and vin swap early on, seems it might not a have been intended a sellable/licensable car when it was reviewed by the press as it had no head-rests. THey became manditory Jan 1 '69.
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Re: Strange rivets
[Re: A12]
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03/14/23 01:20 PM
03/14/23 01:20 PM
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I thought the turn downs were a noise control thing, not emissions Exactly, along with a dual snorkel "silenced" air filter cover on most vehicles. What year were the ca cars sold like this? I thought 69, but I’ve seen something’s suggesting it was 1970. With the dual snorkel and the turndowns that is.
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Re: Strange rivets
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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03/14/23 02:21 PM
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I thought the turn downs were a noise control thing, not emissions Exactly, along with a dual snorkel "silenced" air filter cover on most vehicles. What year were the ca cars sold like this? I thought 69, but I’ve seen something’s suggesting it was 1970. With the dual snorkel and the turndowns that is. My '69 LA built and LA area (Norwalk, CA) originally sold GTX had a dual snorkel air cleaner cover and no exhaust tips. Sure it was '69 and then in 1970+ California EVAP required the snorkels have vacuum closures to minimize carburetor float bowl fumes from exiting out the air filter cover inlets (snorkels) and the closing hood scoops when the engine was turned off (no vacuum). (I have since put an unsilenced air filter cover on the GTX and exhaust tips)
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Re: Strange rivets
[Re: A12]
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03/14/23 02:59 PM
03/14/23 02:59 PM
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That’s the conclusion I came to with my 69. The exhaust tip hanger bolt holes look like nothing has ever been in them. It has an unsilenced cleaner now and I plan to out tips on. Just doesn’t look right without them.
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Re: Strange rivets
[Re: SomeCarGuy]
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03/14/23 04:44 PM
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A couple of my '69 RRs had no tips - CA cars - and one had the dual snorkel (AC car); the other (335hp) the air cleaner was missing when I bought it.
Both were Decor cars, being HTs. Both built in St Louis.
The '69 Decor RR I have now (SD car when new) has tips, but AG. Also from the St Louis plant.
All my '68 RRs I can recall or have now (CA cars except one from NV) had unsilenced air cleaners, and 1 Decor car had the tips, but it was originally from CO. Non-decor = no tips.
One of my '68 Chargers (R/T) had tips, the non-R/T 383/4bbl didn't until I added them, but oddly I don't recall tips or not on a couple of '69 Chargers I owned (project cars). Both CA cars.
Can't recall their air cleaners for certain, but I think my '68 383's was unsilenced. Both had AC.
All the above were/are original cars.
If a car was dealer-swapped from out of State into CA, it might have had 49-state items instead of the CA noise reduction items.
Funny thing is that I recall the LAPD Belvederes being pretty loud when the cops would charge down the street.
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Re: Strange rivets
[Re: TJP]
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03/14/23 04:50 PM
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Reply to srt: I don’ t think there were any emission controls in 1968. PCV valve
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Re: Strange rivets
[Re: topside]
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03/14/23 05:27 PM
03/14/23 05:27 PM
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A couple of my '69 RRs had no tips - CA cars - and one had the dual snorkel (AC car); the other (335hp) the air cleaner was missing when I bought it.
Both were Decor cars, being HTs. Both built in St Louis.
The '69 Decor RR I have now (SD car when new) has tips, but AG. Also from the St Louis plant.
All my '68 RRs I can recall or have now (CA cars except one from NV) had unsilenced air cleaners, and 1 Decor car had the tips, but it was originally from CO. Non-decor = no tips.
One of my '68 Chargers (R/T) had tips, the non-R/T 383/4bbl didn't until I added them, but oddly I don't recall tips or not on a couple of '69 Chargers I owned (project cars). Both CA cars.
Can't recall their air cleaners for certain, but I think my '68 383's was unsilenced. Both had AC.
All the above were/are original cars.
If a car was dealer-swapped from out of State into CA, it might have had 49-state items instead of the CA noise reduction items.
Funny thing is that I recall the LAPD Belvederes being pretty loud when the cops would charge down the street.
I would bet a lot of California dealers both Plymouth and Dodge ordered by the truck load the unsilenced air cleaner covers and exhaust tips knowing a customer would want to buy and add those items. Like buying a motorcycle and adding a performance exhaust on day one or day two.
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Re: Strange rivets
[Re: Sniper]
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03/15/23 02:22 AM
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Reply to srt: I don’ t think there were any emission controls in 1968. PCV valve . It should have been termed a Smog Control, considering what smoke was emitted from crankcases before they were used.
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