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Coronet VIN oddity #3129518
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Re: Coronet VIN oddity [Re: Dart 500] #3129519
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I talked with him at the Indy Cylinder Head swap a couple weekends ago. I believe it is a real car, 426 street wedge since the broadcast sheet has it written at the bottom. The "H" in the VIN means 426, not necessarily Hemi! Just like the M-Code A-Body's the fender tag says 383... work


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Re: Coronet VIN oddity [Re: Rhinodart] #3129522
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Does it have a fender tag?
Looks like a pretty cool car non the less, especially the 500 part.
426W isn't on the option list


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Re: Coronet VIN oddity [Re: Rhinodart] #3129567
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He has enough proof now to show that it was ordered that way through Mr. Norms but why?!

Why would anyone order a 426 street wedge when the 440 was available? shruggy


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10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.

Re: Coronet VIN oddity [Re: GY3] #3129583
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in 1966, only the standard 440 was available and only in C-Bodies as the new, large luxury V8. The first Hi-Po 440 came in the R/T and GTX in 67, that's probably why...

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Re: Coronet VIN oddity [Re: GY3] #3129619
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Originally Posted by GY3
He has enough proof now to show that it was ordered that way through Mr. Norms but why?!

Why would anyone order a 426 street wedge when the 440 was available? shruggy
Why would anyone order a 440 when the street hemi were available whistling stirthepot devil
The street 426 wedges were dogs whiney


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Re: Coronet VIN oddity [Re: Cab_Burge] #3129624
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My take one this?
Norm probably wanted 440s in a Coronet, but they were all shipping to the C body plants, so end of life 426Ws were offered.
Keep a hemi or two in the showroom, then steer buyers to the more affordable wedge version. It's a really old sales tactic.

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Originally Posted by A990
My take one this?
Norm probably wanted 440s in a Coronet, but they were all shipping to the C body plants, so end of life 426Ws were offered.
Keep a hemi or two in the showroom, then steer buyers to the more affordable wedge version. It's a really old sales tactic.


That makes a lot of sense.


'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.

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I'd have to see the broadcast sheet to believe this. Especially with the 383 badging on the fenders. And BTW, I'm with Cab, as the former owner of a '65 Sport Fury with the 426 Street Wedge, that thing couldn't get out of its own way.


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Originally Posted by 6PakBee
I'd have to see the broadcast sheet to believe this.


He has shown the broadcast sheet on Facebook. Clearly has "426 Wedge" at the bottom.


'63 Dodge 330
11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.

Re: Coronet VIN oddity [Re: 6PakBee] #3129676
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Originally Posted by 6PakBee
I'd have to see the broadcast sheet to believe this. Especially with the 383 badging on the fenders. And BTW, I'm with Cab, as the former owner of a '65 Sport Fury with the 426 Street Wedge, that thing couldn't get out of its own way.

Broadcast Sheet WH23G67165814 a1.jpgBROADCAST SHEET RR with GTX TRIM 0003a.png.jpg
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Originally Posted by 6PakBee
I'd have to see the broadcast sheet to believe this. Especially with the 383 badging on the fenders. And BTW, I'm with Cab, as the former owner of a '65 Sport Fury with the 426 Street Wedge, that thing couldn't get out of its own way.


The build sheet has been commented on, the emblems on the fenders are kinda explained in the video.
The car was wrecked in the front at some point and the front clip (fenders) were changed.


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If you had the money, and a salesman that knew what he was doing, and the dealership management agreed to the deal, Mopar would build you pretty much what ever you wanted. A lot of people had to sign off on a specially built car before the order processed, and it usually had to be paid for when ordered. When it came in, it was yours, so you better be sure it was ordered the way you wanted it. Didn't happen often, but it did happen.

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Originally Posted by SNK-EYZ
Originally Posted by 6PakBee
I'd have to see the broadcast sheet to believe this. Especially with the 383 badging on the fenders. And BTW, I'm with Cab, as the former owner of a '65 Sport Fury with the 426 Street Wedge, that thing couldn't get out of its own way.


The build sheet has been commented on, the emblems on the fenders are kinda explained in the video.
The car was wrecked in the front at some point and the front clip (fenders) were changed.


That's interesting. If I read the build sheet correctly the VIN is WH23G67165814. Wonder what that decodes as?


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Build sheet is coded for a 383 as well as the fender tag. There is no motor. Car is debatable to death as whether it came with the 426 wedge or not.

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Originally Posted by NITROUSN
Build sheet is coded for a 383 as well as the fender tag.


The fender tags on '69 A12 Road Runners and Super Bees are coded for 383's as the A12 was a "package" or option that was added to a base 383 RR/SB. Also there were a few, very early first run '69 A12 Road Runners that still had an "H" in the 5th position of the VIN (dash plate) instead of the "M" for special engine (i.e., 440) as on the later production A12's.

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Originally Posted by A12
Originally Posted by NITROUSN
Build sheet is coded for a 383 as well as the fender tag.


The fender tags on '69 A12 Road Runners and Super Bees are coded for 383's as the A12 was a "package" or option that was added to a base 383 RR/SB. Also there were a few, very early first run '69 A12 Road Runners that still had an "H" in the 5th position of the VIN (dash plate) instead of the "M" for special engine (i.e., 440) as on the later production A12's.

What did those cars build sheets say.

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Also as I recall the VIN on the build sheet is for a G code 383 not an H. So the build sheet VIN does not match the door jam VIN tag. I recall this from a previous conversation. The guy with this car did get the IBM card and I do not think that confirmed it had the 426 wedge. All he has is a car that went to mister Norms, a VIN tag and a build sheet that only says 426 wedge at the bottom.

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What would that 426 Wedge have had for an intake manifold and carburetion and exhaust manifolds?

Re: Coronet VIN oddity [Re: 6PakBee] #3129789
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Originally Posted by 6PakBee
I'd have to see the broadcast sheet to believe this. Especially with the 383 badging on the fenders. And BTW, I'm with Cab, as the former owner of a '65 Sport Fury with the 426 Street Wedge, that thing couldn't get out of its own way.


I've seen the broadcast sheet, says 426 WEDGE on the bottom typed in the comments, I think I got it right. The 68 GSS Darts Norm had built had 383 FOUR BARREL emblems on the fenders...


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