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Driver train upgrades for hemi install #3125220
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Just thinking about what might need to be upgraded for the new 572 Hemi mostly street deal. I currently have 8" dynamic 5400, 727 with stock shafts and planitaries, but full metal jacket aluminum drum, billet servos, cope rmvb. a strange .080 wall drive shaft. Dana 60 with stock axles. Will i need to upgrade anything? It may see 6 or so passes just to get a time on it then retired to the back streets for that kind of fun.

Re: Driver train upgrades for hemi install [Re: mopar dave] #3125221
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Maybe step up to aftermarket axles and studs. twocents

Re: Driver train upgrades for hemi install [Re: mopar dave] #3125222
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5/8 wheel studs, after market rear axles, billet 1350 trans and Dana yokes....Dana rear bearing support cover, and re-enforce the suspension. chassis connectors, remove dana pinion travel stopper, and find a different way...if still used. And lastly, a spool.....none of this clutch type posi stuff....

For the trans, #1 is the bolt in sprag...then steel drum and other stuff....

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Driver train upgrades for hemi install [Re: Dragula] #3125232
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I would agree with all of the above. All of this has been done to mine also.


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1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
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Re: Driver train upgrades for hemi install [Re: mopar dave] #3125239
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Stock planetaries? You need steel.
The stock Dana axles will take a lot of abuse. If I'm not mistaken, Jim Pranis had stock Dana axles in his 8 sec 3900 lb '68 hemi charger for a while. Personally, I'd rather see some good aftermarket axles and 5/8" studs.
If you do get good axles, don't waste money on 1/2" studs. Go 5/8" and be done. You won't regret it.


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Driver train upgrades for hemi install [Re: Dragula] #3125243
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Boy, left a few things out. I do have the 1350 joints, bolt in sprag, spool and dana support cover. I use cal tracs with calvert shocks on rear. I thought maybe the planitaries would need to be upgraded to steel spline? Do have the wheel studs as well.

Re: Driver train upgrades for hemi install [Re: mopar dave] #3125247
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Sounds like you're good except for the planetaries.


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Driver train upgrades for hemi install [Re: an8sec70cuda] #3125249
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My main thoughts were about the drive shaft and axles and will upgrade to the steel planets. Currently using 1/2" wheel studs. If i upgrade to 5/8", would that require new wheels as well?

Re: Driver train upgrades for hemi install [Re: mopar dave] #3125250
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Originally Posted by mopar dave
My main thoughts were about the drive shaft and axles and will upgrade to the steel planets. Currently using 1/2" wheel studs. If i upgrade to 5/8", would that require new wheels as well?

No, you should be able to enlarge the stud holes in the wheels slightly for the bigger studs. That's what I did w/ my Centerlines.


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Thinking about switching the gear this year from a 4.10 to a 3.73, so if the axles still look good I may just keep them.

Re: Driver train upgrades for hemi install [Re: mopar dave] #3125264
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Originally Posted by mopar dave
Thinking about switching the gear this year from a 4.10 to a 3.73, so if the axles still look good I may just keep them.


I did this, and it was night and day for street driving for me in the big Hemi...


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Driver train upgrades for hemi install [Re: Dragula] #3125283
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Glad to hear that. I always thought the 3.73 gear was a great gear for street/strip.

Re: Driver train upgrades for hemi install [Re: mopar dave] #3125291
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If you're taking it to the track, I'm thinking that after one look at the car, the tech guys will want aftermarket axles and extended wheel studs.
Especially if slicks are mounted.
Some tracks and/or tech guys are more demanding than others, but a wasted trip is irritating.

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Which u-joints you use are a factor as well. Solid Spicer u-joints have worked flawlessly for me in race applications. They must use very good grease since they don't have grease fittings (which weaken the u-joint because of the fitting as well as the cross-drilling). Cap mounted grease fittings are likely stronger than the ones in the u-joint body. Even in mild applications with the best brand u-joints, a u-joint with a body-mounted fitting should be installed with the fitting area being in compression as the drivetrain rotates. It's the weakest link in the "chain" that will usually get ya!

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Mine are solid and came from strange. I currently use 1/2” extended wheel studs. Been on the car a long time now. I always go on test day, so tech has never been an issue.

Re: Driver train upgrades for hemi install [Re: mopar dave] #3125341
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Drive shaft loop.


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1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
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I do have one. At this point I’m thinking steel planets and will see how the axles look . Thanks guys

Re: Driver train upgrades for hemi install [Re: mopar dave] #3125427
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For 6 passes there is no need to upgrade anything.

It'll never hook well enough on the street to break a planetary, or any other driveline part.

I'm sure DVW will chime in, but his had hundreds of low 9 sec passes on stock planets, so I'm sure yours would last 6.

Save your time and money.

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My street/strip combo: 3950 lb B body car w/driver, 572 Hemi, 5000 stall ATI converter, Hemi input shaft, billet steel front drum, hub, planetary, super Sprag, 3.5" CM driveshaft, 1350 joints, billet yokes. Dana 60, 4.10 Richmond gears, Detroit Locker, stock 23 spline 1967 axles, 1/2 x 3" DC studs. Caltrac bars, mono leafs and shocks. Car has run a best of 9.85 @ 136mph 1.37 60 ft. I Would switch to 5/8 studs but they won't work with the Cragar S/S wheels I run on the street. Next upgrade will be aftermarket axles since Iv'e been beating on the stock 23 splines for almost 40 years now, but I haven't decided if I want to keep the 23 spline Locker or switch to a 35 spline spool.

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Re: Driver train upgrades for hemi install [Re: dizuster] #3125486
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Don't think you can use 5/8 studs with stock axles anyway, think they're all screw in type not? so you don't have to worry about them.

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