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Strange rivets #3124714
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My 69 bird came with unusual rivets for the dash tag. Ever seen any like those?

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Re: Strange rivets [Re: robertop] #3124720
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Somebody had the VIN tag off.

Have you checked the body numbers to see if they match?

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Have you taken a look at the back side of those? They look like vintage furniture upholstery tacks.

Re: Strange rivets [Re: Ramman] #3124764
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I'd say the VIN tag was removed when the dash was painted; that's not the factory suede finish on the dash.
Might not be anything nefarious going on, but those rivets/nails/whatever are definitely not correct.
As Barry says, I'd sure want to confirm it's a legit car.

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Okay, there is much more to this. First, I bought the car in February 1970 and for sure at that time nobody fooled with those rivets, nobody had worked in that area at that time. Second, 10 years ago the car was restored so, before sending the body to my painter, I sanded the backs of the rivets and removed the tag, that I replaced after painting. So I firmly believe those are the original rivets. Obviously the dash paint is mot original, kudos for detecting that! More differences coming soon, guys. By the way, the car is legit, but not 100% standard.

Re: Strange rivets [Re: robertop] #3124792
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They sure do not look like any factory rivet I have seen. If they were you would think people would of seen more of them. Seems like you are questioning if they are authentic .

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Absolutely not! Seems like some of you are, but it’s okay , because, as I said, I have more axes to “grind”…. Just hold on!

Re: Strange rivets [Re: robertop] #3124815
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It almost looks like an inverted/deformed rosette…is the other one the same? You’ve owned since ‘70 so no messing there…I almost doubt they’d stop the line because of bad rivet(s)…while the worker would have to grab a set of correct ones? Just my thought…J code so I see your concern too…

Re: Strange rivets [Re: shakerjoe] #3124823
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Im curious to see what the answer to this is.
The line wouldn't use one off rivets and it's highly doubtful they'd run out so if it is factory there would be more like these around. They also wouldn't be installed like normal rivets so it's introducing a whole different process to install it.
The vin tag looks like it's scratched up around them like there was other ones there before but that could be from when it was removed before for the restoration.

Re: Strange rivets [Re: robertop] #3124836
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Is the driver's side rivet an exact match to the rivet posted?

Re: Strange rivets [Re: 5thAve] #3124837
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Originally Posted by 5thAve
Im curious to see what the answer to this is.
The line wouldn't use one off rivets and it's highly doubtful they'd run out so if it is factory there would be more like these around. They also wouldn't be installed like normal rivets so it's introducing a whole different process to install it.
The vin tag looks like it's scratched up around them like there was other ones there before but that could be from when it was removed before for the restoration.


This^ how would you flair it on the bottom side without a support like a "bucking bar"? It looks like a "nail" rivet that would need to go into something thicker than a sheet metal hole to work. Unless it's a rossett rivet with some filler or something closing the center hole???

Re: Strange rivets [Re: A12] #3124847
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Rivets have holes in the middle so the rivet gun can work correctly and move the ferrule up to crunch the rivet in place, those are not rivets... twocents

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Re: Strange rivets [Re: Rhinodart] #3124851
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Originally Posted by Rhinodart
Rivets have holes in the middle so the rivet gun can work correctly and move the ferrule up to crunch the rivet in place, those are not rivets... twocents


Guess you never heard of solid rivets? You statement is correct about POP rivets though.



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Yes, both rivets are identical. The tag has the original finish, so I would think that if one claimed that a 50 and more year old tag survived without scratches I would seriously consider it as a joke. My opinion, of course.

Re: Strange rivets [Re: robertop] #3124874
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Not factory in my opinion and experience.


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Re: Strange rivets [Re: BloFish] #3124877
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Originally Posted by BloFish
Not factory in my opinion and experience.

I'll agree with you and the others I smell 💩. Lot's of debris in the paint and the I is really bad shruggy twocents

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Re: Strange rivets [Re: TJP] #3124915
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Low vin a factor?

I see you posted about the different rims, an interesting tag on your car when you got it and replacing the rear end with a Dana from another bird.

Spill the beans.... special car?




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Re: Strange rivets [Re: robertop] #3124921
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Beside the "riviet".
Zoomed into the pic you posted, it appears the "rivet" may be smaller diameter than the scrapes?
Was the dash repainted and Tag reinstalled?
WTH is the hair or whatever to the left of "Rivet"?
Has the black field oxididized and been repainted?
I played around with filters on the pic in photo editor and is anyone seeing a digit "3" under the number 1?
Lastly should the tip of the pentastar be centered under the 5 digit?
I'm no vin expert yet have looked and many legit and learn a lot from what to watch out for on these pages.
It would be interesting to see the back side of the rivets.

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