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Re: 4.10 Rear Gears [Re: Kudakidd] #3121957
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Originally Posted by Kudakidd
What were they thinking? 55mph spinning at 3,500 rpms. lol


You need some taller back tires whistling

Years ago I drove my 71 Challenger to Carlisle with 4:30 gears

At the time it had the Blower on it , stopped every 100 miles to fill it up

was with a group of friends and they thought they would blast past me coming down RT 81 , they figured I couldn't or wouldn't keep up

grin The looks on their faces when I did pass them at about 100 mph with the blower screaming and the engine wound up

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Ditto on the taller tires. Back in the days, my 70 Challenger was running a 4.10 dana w/auto. Was my daily drive for two years, travelling every weekend from MD to VA on I-95; wasn't too bad. Had L70s x 15 tires in rear (yes, L70s for those old enough to remember; Hijackers were maxed out at 150 psi to prevent occasional fender rubs). The other 70 had a 4.56 dana (4-sp w/L60s x 15) which was almost unbearable to drive, again on I-95. Had to leave around 1:00am to prevent any traffic tie-ups and truckers from running me over in the slow lane. Drove the minimum 45 mph speed limit the majority of the time, on occasion up to 55. Took about ~4-5 vice ~2.5 hrs for the other Challenger. As someone previously mentioned, stop-light-to-stop light was the fun part with the 4.56's.

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i ran 5.38 gears in my charger for a while.
they were fun, but that eventually wore off and i swapped to 3.91's.
the car was as fast with those, and had more mph at the stripe to boot. imagine that. laugh2
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Re: 4.10 Rear Gears [Re: moparx] #3122207
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I run 4.56 gears on a 29” tire. Needless to say, I don’t leave town. laugh2


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Re: 4.10 Rear Gears [Re: Blusmbl] #3122331
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Originally Posted by Blusmbl
Originally Posted by DaveRS23
Do the math on the Gear Vendors OD before you pull the trigger. It is not enough OD ratio for some guys. The 518s have an OD ration of .69:1. The GV has .78:1.


Agreed, I've seen a few people complain that it isn't a ton of overdrive. It isn't like a 0.5 OD like on a T56.

It would be cool to build a lockup style 727 with a GV or a 518, but I don't know how much power they can take. It seems that past 1000-ish it is not common to stick with a Mopar based trans.


If you use the right parts a 727 based trans will be fine at 1000HP, look at the Cummins powered rams making more HP than that , and the torque is even more than a gas engine . If you build the OD unit to Diesel specs you should be fine, the issue you may have is getting a lockup performance convertor for a gas engine in the stall you want? But they are making them for turbo 400 racers so there must be something available ?


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Re: 4.10 Rear Gears [Re: JohnRR] #3122334
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Its not 1980 any more.... set your rods and mains at .003, deep pan and good oil, optimized cooling system and hammer down. The most friendly gear I drive is a 4:30 the better is 4:56 and its happy in the 5-8k area. Nothing better then running 65mph and someone thinks your spent till you pull it down one and then they know the real truth.

I think back in the day the mostly stock bottom enders would of benefited from a bit more bearing clearance and better rod bolts.

Some have got complacent just cruising and cant/wont even run off a stop light which for some isnt a bad thing considering stock or just above stock cant muster a win over some modern V6s.

In the 80-90-s old iron still ruled over anything new.... no longer true.


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Re: 4.10 Rear Gears [Re: Mr PotatoHead] #3122342
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My black one has 3.54s and is fine on the hiway even at 75 mph , but it is up there for RPMs . Its a hemi auto

My yellow has 3.91s and is a LOT more fun around town . but is screaming at me at anything over 65-70 mph its a 383 auto

Both have a 27inch tall tire

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Re: 4.10 Rear Gears [Re: gtx6970] #3122528
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I have run 4.10 for yrs (30) in a 416 sm blk been 20 miles to 2000 miles & just under 2700 RPM but i run a 32 tall tire, keeps it at the 2700 RPM . Just like to get out on the interstate or old country roads people don.t expect to see our old cars there. To me it,s all about the smiles per mile

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I was talking w/ a mechanic,and was told it's a real PITA to put a new ring and pinion in a Dana. Looks like I'm sticking w/ the 4.10s

Re: 4.10 Rear Gears [Re: Kudakidd] #3122740
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Originally Posted by Kudakidd
I was talking w/ a mechanic,and was told it's a real PITA to put a new ring and pinion in a Dana. Looks like I'm sticking w/ the 4.10s
I would guess he didn't have the tools needed. Ive done it on stands but a lift would make life easy.

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Re: 4.10 Rear Gears [Re: 69hemibeep] #3122745
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Same here. It's not too bad with the correct tools. I have the T&D installation tool kit. It includes all the extensions and pieces for all the popular rear ends. I put 4:10's in my Dana in my Challenger.

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Re: 4.10 Rear Gears [Re: Kudakidd] #3122748
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Originally Posted by Kudakidd
I was talking w/ a mechanic,and was told it's a real PITA to put a new ring and pinion in a Dana. Looks like I'm sticking w/ the 4.10s


Find a new mechanic.

Re: 4.10 Rear Gears [Re: Sniper] #3122775
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by Kudakidd
I was talking w/ a mechanic,and was told it's a real PITA to put a new ring and pinion in a Dana. Looks like I'm sticking w/ the 4.10s


Find a new mechanic.


iagree

Most vehicles have integral rear gears. If the 'mechanic' said the Dana 60 is hard to set-up then he must not be much of a differential guy.


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Re: 4.10 Rear Gears [Re: DaveRS23] #3122793
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look for a "rear end" guy.................[i couldn't resist. laugh2]
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Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by Kudakidd
I was talking w/ a mechanic,and was told it's a real PITA to put a new ring and pinion in a Dana. Looks like I'm sticking w/ the 4.10s


Find a new mechanic.


Just for the record your honor, I said A mechanic, not MY mechanic! lol

Re: 4.10 Rear Gears [Re: DaveRS23] #3122921
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Originally Posted by DaveRS23
I have always liked 3.91s and have them in the Cuda. But many of my buddies have late model cars and want to hop on the interstate and run with traffic to a destination. So I converted a 518. WOW! What a difference. 75mph on the hiway and the engine sounds very relaxed. Didn't help the gas mileage much, but wasn't expecting it to.

No way would I ever go back to only 3 gears. The only down side is probably the weight. Man, that thing's heavy.
Yep this is the way to go really. Convert the trans. As much as I love the bullet proof 727, if you really wanna have the best of both worlds....


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Swapped in a 518 and could never EVER go back to a 727.
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Re: 4.10 Rear Gears [Re: 69hemibeep] #3124481
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Originally Posted by 69hemibeep
Originally Posted by Kudakidd
I was talking w/ a mechanic,and was told it's a real PITA to put a new ring and pinion in a Dana. Looks like I'm sticking w/ the 4.10s
I would guess he didn't have the tools needed. Ive done it on stands but a lift would make life easy.


Agreed , the guy either has never done one or just doesn't want to make money unless it's a job he can charge book time for that he can do for less. I bought a case spreader just so I can do them myself .

Mark swap a ford 9" in and I bet the guys answer will change ...


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Re: 4.10 Rear Gears [Re: Kudakidd] #3124584
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Originally Posted by Kudakidd
I was talking w/ a mechanic,and was told it's a real PITA to put a new ring and pinion in a Dana. Looks like I'm sticking w/ the 4.10s
So is a ten bolt and twelve bolt GM rear end, any non drop out rear end has to have the gears set up in the rear end housing, I bought the tools, bearing puller and pinion depth tools to do my own. I take the housing out of the car and set the new gears up in the shop so I can keep it clean, warm or cool and take my time doing it correctly. I did make some set up bearings also, which helps a bunch on setting the rear ends up up wrench


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