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Re: Mini starter question [Re: carnut68] #3101507
12/12/22 07:49 AM
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The 05 starters are more powerful compared to the mini starters (1.7 kw vs 1.4 kw) despite being smaller. Problem with the 05 Hemi starter is the solenoid on top - it will hit the block. But look what I did to solve the issue:

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https://www.forbbodiesonly.com/moparforum/threads/my-new-special-mini-starter.220875/

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Re: Mini starter question [Re: DGS] #3101571
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Cool that you were able to cut and weld it to work on a Big Block.
Do you think it could simply be rotated 90 degrees with the 4? assembly bolts?
I have tons of room on the outside of the starter on my chassis car, the headers are nowhere near it.


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Re: Mini starter question [Re: DGS] #3101671
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Have you used it yet?
I’m assuming you used some sort of cut off wheel?
Reason I ask, I once went at it with a grinder on an alternator, wasn’t careful and got metal shaving on the windings.
That alternator lasted a week.
So how did you protect the inside of the starter while cutting?

That is an innovative, awesome job!

Re: Mini starter question [Re: BDW] #3101673
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Re: Mini starter question [Re: BDW] #3101831
12/13/22 06:41 AM
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Have not used it but shouldn't be a big deal as I had it disassembled when I cut it. Cutting was done on a band saw and was welded by a professional welder. I put shims between the two halves to make up for width of the cut and the had it welded. After everything was done I reassembled the starter.

Here are some pictures of the making of:

starter guts without the case

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Re: Mini starter question [Re: 440Jim] #3101832
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Originally Posted by 440Jim
Cool that you were able to cut and weld it to work on a Big Block.
Do you think it could simply be rotated 90 degrees with the 4? assembly bolts?
I have tons of room on the outside of the starter on my chassis car, the headers are nowhere near it.


You can't do that unfortunately as the solenoid mount and snout are one piece and only allows you to mount it one way. Cutting it apart allows you to turn everything 180 degrees only as you have to use the original bolt holes - you can't drill new ones as there is not enough meat (the bolt holes are drilled in cast in bosses).

If the starter ever takes a crap I just buy a new one and swap the guts.

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Re: Mini starter question [Re: DGS] #3101846
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I can’t understand what all the fitment issues are with these starters. I’ve used them on big and small blocks for years without any trouble. I’ve gotten them on eBay, junkyards, local auto parts stores. On my Keith Black block I did have some minor block grinding to do but it was a five minute job.


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Re: Mini starter question [Re: pittsburghracer] #3101857
12/13/22 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer


I can’t understand what all the fitment issues are with these starters. I’ve used them on big and small blocks for years without any trouble. I’ve gotten them on eBay, junkyards, local auto parts stores. On my Keith Black block I did have some minor block grinding to do but it was a five minute job.


Yes they have always worked for me as well with minimal work. Of course you have to take off the black plastic "adapter" most of them come with, and I had one that the studs were a little close to the block so I ground them a little shorter. Headers are a wild card, of course as they are all a little different, but I was able to make them work with 2 kinds of those as well fairly easily.

Not sure what the variable is that is causing some folks trouble?


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Re: Mini starter question [Re: wingman] #3101860
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Simple, look at pics posted, this discussion is about the NEWER mini starters

Re: Mini starter question [Re: carnut68] #3101916
12/13/22 01:28 PM
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I modified mine with a manual push button to activate the starter from underneath the car to adjust clutch counterweights. Simply manually moving the inner solenoid to make contact. No extra wiring or need for assistance.

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Re: Mini starter question [Re: BDW] #3101973
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Originally Posted by BDW
https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/ccrp-1207-lightweight-pmgr-starters-junkyard-builder/

The first Chrysler gear reduction starters used offset gears that added width. The advantage to late-model PMGR starters is the planetary gear-reduction system that multiplies torque while being entirely in line with the armature shaft. Planetary gear multiplication (similar to gear reduction in automatic transmissions) produces a major torque increase within a very small envelope.



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Re: Mini starter question [Re: moparx] #3102220
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I assume the planetary gear system is in this section.

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Re: Mini starter question [Re: DGS] #3102230
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Originally Posted by DGS
The 05 starters are more powerful compared to the mini starters (1.7 kw vs 1.4 kw) despite being smaller.

FWIW, you can get a 1990's style mini-starter with 1.65 kw (Power Master XS). This is the "dyno" sheet that came with the one I bought. Rated 1.4 kw, actual 1.65 kw

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Re: Mini starter question [Re: 440Jim] #3102304
12/14/22 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 440Jim
I assume the planetary gear system is in this section.


correct

Re: Mini starter question [Re: DGS] #3102338
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They always rate lower, this 05 actually measured 1.8kW

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