Re: help me understand instant center as applies to leaf springs
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ok that makes sense, thanks. I'm using QA1 stocker star double adj. I looked into santhuff shocks....wow are they expensive! Does a mid 10 sec car really need a shock like santhuffs? what are other good shock choices? Contact Ron Galbreath at Afterworks , he sells Vikings or possible he can re valve your current shocks . Yes , top shelf parts are expensive . No way around it . I had santuffs front and rear , and just upgraded , was it expensive? Yes it was ….it really comes down to how serious you are , and what you are trying to do . Budget stuff can work , but it only gets you so far ,
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Re: help me understand instant center as applies to leaf springs
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My mate has mono's -c-tracs in the upper hole on his RR, motor has 720ftlbs on the hit and is controlled by just calvert 9-way shocks on only 7 stiff, good DA shocks are important yes, wait till you get those mono springs onto see the difference, here's a vid of the car on a 10.35 hit, been a best 1.421 60ft.@3800lbs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tnu9cSnf2U I just watched the video, the car looks very well controlled on the launch. That is what I'm after. The guys here are correct in all they say but the vid is clear, the RR has 20yr old 90/10's up front, barely 5 " of front travel, it runs those 10x29's at 17psi and has 2 flats preload on the bars to be precise. Dana 60 with 4.10's and a low first gear in the 727 with a 4200-ish flash stall f/brake and just 685fwhp on track. I think it could do better personally. The GTX in the other post runs the same 9-ways and manages to 60 much faster albeit a bit lighter and probably is a mid 9 sec car with around 800fwhp at that weight. Fit the mono caltrac system and keep your DA shocks and try it, you don't need to pay the earth for Santhuffs at that level, most buy the santhuff fronts so they can land from a big wheelie like a plane.
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Re: help me understand instant center as applies to leaf springs
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Cal-tracs, Calvert shocks, CE 3 way adjustable fronts and otherwise stock suspension with front snubbers removed and slant 6 bars. 3.54 gears and 11" converter. Vikings on the shelf to replace these but trying to push into the 9's the way it is.
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Re: help me understand instant center as applies to leaf springs
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ok that makes sense, thanks. I'm using QA1 stocker star double adj. I looked into santhuff shocks....wow are they expensive! Does a mid 10 sec car really need a shock like santhuffs? what are other good shock choices? Contact Ron Galbreath at Afterworks , he sells Vikings or possible he can re valve your current shocks . Yes , top shelf parts are expensive . No way around it . I had santuffs front and rear , and just upgraded , was it expensive? Yes it was ….it really comes down to how serious you are , and what you are trying to do . Budget stuff can work , but it only gets you so far , Afterworks revalved my front Vikings.
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Re: help me understand instant center as applies to leaf springs
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Thanks for the videos. My car did the same thing as the 64 dodge till I put the da shocks on the car . That helped a bunch but it is stlill too aggressive, there is a lot of wasted motion on the the launch. and it is still wadding up the tire. I'm going to mount the leaf spring in the lower hole position and start there. then look for a better set of shocks.
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Re: help me understand instant center as applies to leaf springs
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Do you mean body separation like this? Sorry about sideways pic. yes like that.
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Re: help me understand instant center as applies to leaf springs
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Do you mean body separation like this? Sorry about sideways pic. yes like that. If you look real close you can see the the leaf spring parallel with the ground.
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Re: help me understand instant center as applies to leaf springs
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I did the straight up shock mod along with the 25" S-10 front spring on my Dart and it does work pretty well on my junk. 1.33 foot brakin so far and I have a new 8" 5800 vert to replace my 30 year old piece which should wake up my tunnel ram even more...
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Re: help me understand instant center as applies to leaf springs
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I don't know if this will help you any but here is a cheat sheet I got from John Calvert a long time ago.
Top Hole – Hardest Hit (start here)
Bottom Hole – Softer Hit, moves IC forward
More Pre-load, Softer Hit
Less Pre-load, air gap, harder hit
If car pulls to the right add a quarter turn of pre-load to the right bar and visa versa.
Set front shocks soft
Set rear shocks on #5, if car wants to porpoise go to 6 or 7 (harder).
If car spins, needs harder hit, go softer
Too much wheelstand…. Softer hit, restrict front travel
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Re: help me understand instant center as applies to leaf springs
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so if i'm understanding you correctly , the cal-trac bar now determins the instant center not so much the front spring mounting point. That will move the ic significantly foward, which would explain the cal-trac claim of reducing /controlling seperation.. Thanks for the input , I'm attempting to gather info so as to understand what it is that I am doing with the suspension rather than just install parts and hope for the best .
Not sure if this is correct, Caltracs stop spring wrap. The IC is above Neutral line = more anti-squat (or more separation), The higher hole hits the tyre harder = more rise. At least this is the case in my experience.
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