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Starter question - Reid PG case #3099806 12/05/22 01:45 PM 12/05/22 01:45 PM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 292 NY challenger451ci OP enthusiast
challenger451ci OP enthusiast Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 292 NY	I'm setting up the starter with a Reid Big Block Powerglide case, ATI GM flexplate and a 1/4" mid plate. I'm not convinced the starter pinion has enough radial clearance to the ring gear. When I bump the motor over with the starter, it sounds fine. It engages with no issue and sounds OK turning the motor over. The issue I have is the pinion stays engaged partially in the ring gear after turning the motor over(I haven't fired it yet). It doesn't pull back to the full retracted position without help with a screwdriver. I'm thinking when the motor fires, it should allow the starter to rotate and free wheel so it can follow the spline back, correct? Initial depth is good(I think) with about 0.100" from the pinion to the ring gear and with the Bendix all the way out, the front of the pinion is flush with the front of the ring gear. I've used this started with an Ultra Bell and 727 so I know it fits and works fine. It's a newer style factory V8 mini starter. Am I over thinking this???

Re: Starter question - Reid PG case [Re: challenger451ci] #3100634 12/08/22 12:59 PM 12/08/22 12:59 PM
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cl440 master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,560 S.E. Michigan	Ours did the same thing when just turning it over. Its never stayed engaged when the motor fires. You should be fine

Re: Starter question - Reid PG case [Re: cl440] #3100650 12/08/22 01:49 PM 12/08/22 01:49 PM
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challenger451ci OP enthusiast Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 292 NY	Thank you! I had a feeling I was over thinking it.

Re: Starter question - Reid PG case [Re: challenger451ci] #3100690 12/08/22 05:13 PM 12/08/22 05:13 PM
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Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA	Both type of starter Bendix drives, manual solenoid on the starter or remotely mount solenoids with self engaging , are designed to be spun out of contact with the ring gears once the motor RPMs exceeds the starter RPMs Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Starter question - Reid PG case [Re: Cab_Burge] #3100714 12/08/22 07:44 PM 12/08/22 07:44 PM
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challenger451ci OP enthusiast Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 292 NY	Originally Posted by Cab_Burge Both type of starter Bendix drives, manual solenoid on the starter or remotely mount solenoids with self engaging , are designed to be spun out of contact with the ring gears once the motor RPMs exceeds the starter RPMs That's what I was hoping, but don't every remember the starter staying engaged if the motor was bumped over without starting. Guess I never had an occasion to look until I hit the button again and it fired. This thing might make noise this weekend!

Re: Starter question - Reid PG case [Re: challenger451ci] #3100728 12/08/22 08:40 PM 12/08/22 08:40 PM
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Sammy top fuel S Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,823 Wind Gap,Pa.	You're going to need 1 shim. I had the same problem.

Re: Starter question - Reid PG case [Re: Sammy] #3100760 12/08/22 10:35 PM 12/08/22 10:35 PM
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gtscrose member G Joined: Apr 2015 Posts: 9 nebr	Our starter did the same thing with the Reid set up. When motor started the starter drive would return home. We were even using the expensive Reid billet flywheel (which I still have on the shelf because Reid said they do not re certify their flywheels)

Re: Starter question - Reid PG case [Re: challenger451ci] #3100810 12/09/22 09:25 AM 12/09/22 09:25 AM
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HardcoreB master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,048 Shelby Twp. Mi	Originally Posted by challenger451ci I'm setting up the starter with a Reid Big Block Powerglide case, ATI GM flexplate and a 1/4" mid plate. I'm not convinced the starter pinion has enough radial clearance to the ring gear. When I bump the motor over with the starter, it sounds fine. It engages with no issue and sounds OK turning the motor over. The issue I have is the pinion stays engaged partially in the ring gear after turning the motor over(I haven't fired it yet). It doesn't pull back to the full retracted position without help with a screwdriver. I'm thinking when the motor fires, it should allow the starter to rotate and free wheel so it can follow the spline back, correct? Initial depth is good(I think) with about 0.100" from the pinion to the ring gear and with the Bendix all the way out, the front of the pinion is flush with the front of the ring gear. I've used this started with an Ultra Bell and 727 so I know it fits and works fine. It's a newer style factory V8 mini starter. Am I over thinking this??? It took some back and forth when I set up my PG conversion!!! Regardless of what the manufacturer says as to what should bolt together, the end result should be as close as possible without hanging-up IMO. But on mine depending on how you measured clearance sure was farther away then the recommended specs. After a few start/stops with visual verification, I felt good about it.

Re: Starter question - Reid PG case [Re: Sammy] #3100832 12/09/22 11:03 AM 12/09/22 11:03 AM
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challenger451ci OP enthusiast Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 292 NY	Originally Posted by Sammy You're going to need 1 shim. I had the same problem. If I add a shim, the starter pinion doesn't reach full engagement on the ring gear. I think I'm OK on clearance front to back as I have ~0.100" between the pinion and ring gear when it's fully retracted.

Re: Starter question - Reid PG case [Re: challenger451ci] #3101033 12/10/22 09:24 AM 12/10/22 09:24 AM
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challenger451ci OP enthusiast Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 292 NY	Update...I rolled the motor over by hand tightening the converter bolts and the starter pinion popped right back. All set. Thank you to all that replied!

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