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Aluminum master cylinder upgrade #3100257
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Hi guys, I seen a lot of guys running these type of master cylinders on their early mopars I was told there was some type of part number or you order it through your local parts store and can buy them a lot cheaper than the aftermarket has them. Does anybody have any part numbers on them or what vehicle I should tell them I have
thank you guys, Mopar, or no car and I do have the adapter plate

I have a 69 dart with 73 disc brakes upfront and 11 inch drums in the rear

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Re: Aluminum master cylinder upgrade [Re: RAY1969CARS] #3100265
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Any M body 1979 to 1989. Fifth avenue, Diplomat etc. Trucks had them too and some FWD cars but they're different part number and I don't know if bore sizes or anything else would make a difference in how they work.

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Rockauto. 1-1/32" bore

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I saved this chart when it was posted earlier.

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That's a nice chart !!

The thing that needs defining is "caliper piston size" - What's large and what's small ?

Re: Aluminum master cylinder upgrade [Re: RAY1969CARS] #3100342
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Originally Posted by RAY1969CARS
Hi guys, I seen a lot of guys running these type of master cylinders on their early mopars I was told there was some type of part number or you order it through your local parts store and can buy them a lot cheaper than the aftermarket has them. Does anybody have any part numbers on them or what vehicle I should tell them I have
thank you guys, Mopar, or no car and I do have the adapter plate

I have a 69 dart with 73 disc brakes upfront and 11 inch drums in the rear


The 1 1/8" master listed above will work very well with this but will give a very firm pedal and short throw. I love it!


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Re: Aluminum master cylinder upgrade [Re: GY3] #3100348
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The 1-1/8 master needs a booster IMO. I'm pretty sure that's the master that was in my 82 Cordoba. I removed the booster for valve cover clearance and made a spacer to take up the space that the booster once filled. The pedal was rock hard and the car was a handful to stop. I didn't know any better at the time but a master with a smaller bore was needed. Does the OP have a booster or do you have manual brakes?

Replacement boosters on Rockauto are inexpensive. Might have to experiment with a couple different sizes.

Re: Aluminum master cylinder upgrade [Re: burdar] #3100350
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Originally Posted by burdar
The 1-1/8 master needs a booster IMO. I'm pretty sure that's the master that was in my 82 Cordoba. I removed the booster for valve cover clearance and made a spacer to take up the space that the booster once filled. The pedal was rock hard and the car was a handful to stop. I didn't know any better at the time but a master with a smaller bore was needed. Does the OP have a booster or do you have manual brakes?

Replacement boosters on Rockauto are inexpensive. Might have to experiment with a couple different sizes.


My experience as well. 65 Cuda, manual brakes, 11.75" discs, 11" drums, M cop car combination vavle.. the 1 1/8" MC is the wrong choice there.

Re: Aluminum master cylinder upgrade [Re: Sniper] #3100351
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go to Dr Diffs page, he has a fair price and you can get the adapter there as well.


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The adapters piss me off. Would it have broke the bank to have added another 1/8" of material to adequately cover the hole in the stock M/C firewall plate ?!? And the recess around the bore is smaller than the m/c dust boot.

Re: Aluminum master cylinder upgrade [Re: burdar] #3100368
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A body boosters seem to be unavailable. Needed on for my 74 Dart last year, no go. I could have sent the booster to Cardone ( from Canada), pay $160.00US for them to rebuild. Would have had to pay shipping etc. both ways. Went manual.

Re: Aluminum master cylinder upgrade [Re: Stanton] #3100394
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Originally Posted by Stanton
The adapters piss me off. Would it have broke the bank to have added another 1/8" of material to adequately cover the hole in the stock M/C firewall plate ?!? And the recess around the bore is smaller than the m/c dust boot.


No hard to make your own, did that in the 90's.

Re: Aluminum master cylinder upgrade [Re: Sniper] #3100412
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I wouldn't recommend anything over 15/16' for anything without power brakes. I put either a 1 1/32" or a 1 1/8" on my Dart with manual disk front and back and it scared me in the driveway. Both hands on the wheel and both feet on the brake pedal to make it stop. The 15/16" I got from Dr Diff is much better, but when the time comes to replace it, I'll use a 7/8" bore.

Re: Aluminum master cylinder upgrade [Re: RAY1969CARS] #3100445
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The smaller the bore the less leg pressure is needed to stop the car with no power assisted brakes up scope
I found that out the hard way when a master cylinder went south at Pomona one year and I didn't know the correct size of the master cylinder bore and replaced it with one that had a 5/16 bigger bore when I had to replace it because it wouldn't stop that car worth a hoot down shock whiney


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Re: Aluminum master cylinder upgrade [Re: rustbuckett68] #3100474
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Originally Posted by rustbuckett68
A body boosters seem to be unavailable. Needed on for my 74 Dart last year, no go. I could have sent the booster to Cardone ( from Canada), pay $160.00US for them to rebuild. Would have had to pay shipping etc. both ways. Went manual.




I have an all original brake booster set up out of a 72 Dart. A friend had said he should have more parts as well...

Re: Aluminum master cylinder upgrade [Re: Stanton] #3100488
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Originally Posted by Stanton
That's a nice chart !!

The thing that needs defining is "caliper piston size" - What's large and what's small ?


Most drag race calipers use 1.75" bores. Use number of bores in the system to determine piston area. Basic rule is 1-1/32" MC for 2 piston front/4 piston rear system. 1-1/8" MC for 4 piston front and rear.

Using anything else, you have to do the math. Total area = πr2 x number of pistons

Pedal ratios make a difference too.

Some of these kits use calipers with small (1-3/8") bores. I got caught (once) trying to figure out why the brakes wouldn't work on a car that had Wilwoods with these goofy bore sizes.

Plumb the brakes into the correct port on the MC, according to your configuration.

Spend some money, ditch the torn up rubber ring, and put one of these on the car. If I had a dollar for every car I've seen torn up...


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Re: Aluminum master cylinder upgrade [Re: CMcAllister] #3100526
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I pulled one of these aluminum bodied mast cyl off the car . Car needed an anchor out the window to stop ( dont know size as I didnt measure it before it went in the trash can )
Put a 15/16 master for a 1975 Duster on it ( manual front disc and rear drums on a 1966 B body )

car actually stops now without much efffort

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There are stock looking four bolt aluminum masters out there, too.

https://www.force10brakes.com/home/...um-and-disc-disc-applications-p235514315

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Re: Aluminum master cylinder upgrade [Re: 375inStroke] #3102504
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Looking up the 15/16" from a Dakota on RockAuto, the reservoir is "angled", where the front is low - back high. I don't know if this reduces the amount of fluid the front holds vs. the 1 1/32" diplomat unit, which has a level reservoir. Also, there is an option to get the Dakota m/c without the reservoir. Does this mean you could a separate reservoir from the Diplomat (level) so you can use on the Dakota m/c? This would give you a level reservoir on the smaller 15/16" m/c.

The reason I ask is because I bought a 1 1/8" that is way too big for a car and I would like either the 15/16" or 1 1/32". This would be for an e body manual brake 11.75 disc / 10" drum set up. Can get local for less w/o reservoir.

**For manual brakes: bore that back of the piston on the 15/16",** Can someone explain exactly how to do this?

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