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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here!
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Only the sub compact cars used tube chassis early on. The Hill Duster is from 1975.Quote:
Not sure where you got that info from, after Pomona in 1972, most, if not all of the serious pro stock cars were started as tube cars. I'd call class I stock frame regardless of year, and class II tube cars regardless of year, because you could have had it either way back then. The picture may be from 1975, but the Leal/Hill car pictured was started at Butler's late 1972. Our car is still in process, might be able to make a late October race.
Listen to these other guys. Jenkins Vega was NOT a tube chassis, it was back halved. In fact, custom or aftermarket chassis were not even legal until 1974 or 75. Highly modified back halved cars were. The "tube chassis" did not come out until years later. It's what's popular in modern Super Gas/Comp cars, which of course you realize. Carlton's Wire Car, the most expensive and highly engineered car at the time (1975) was not even a tube chassis. Don't let the semantics fool you. A tissue is not a Kleenex, but a Kleenes is a tissue. No era correct car will be denied. FYI, despite the Jenkins claims which I've read about for years, Paul Frost developed the first drag racing dry sump on Billy Stepp's '71 Challenger.
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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here!
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05/31/09 03:19 PM
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The Jenkins 72 Vega was the first tube frame car.
the 74 Vega was the one to first use struts and a dry sump.
I'm not questioning the dry-sump thing. What I'm wondering is, if a car has ANY of its stock frame in it yet the rest of the car is a fabbed chassis, WHAT class does it run? I can see an argument for both sides yet a definite advantage for a tubed frame car. This IS important as the guys not wanting to run the series merely for fun could find themselves protested & possibly found illegal or find themselves at a huge disadvantage.
The PSCA series had a class requiring stock framerails---- guys used the front sub-frame ONLY then abbed up a high-end CM frame beyond that, that TECHNICALLY fit the requirement. I'd hate to see guys gettin' by with that sort of rule-bending.
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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here!
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The Jenkins 72 Vega was the first tube frame car.
the 74 Vega was the one to first use struts and a dry sump.
That's how I understand it to be.
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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here!
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Listen to these other guys. Jenkins Vega was NOT a tube chassis, it was back halved. In fact, custom or aftermarket chassis were not even legal until 1974 or 75. Highly modified back halved cars were. The "tube chassis" did not come out until years later.
Click on the following link and start reading about half way down.
http://www.prostockhemi.com/articles/article.php?id=0008
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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here!
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Man, I like the Grotheer livery a bunch better. 
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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here!
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A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's one of a modern tube chassis. This is what we're referring to when we say "tube chassis". Jenkins' car was a back halved car with tubular components, but is was based upon a stock frame. I seriously doubt Roy Hill took Leal's antiquated Duster, stripped off all the body panels and remounted them on a tube chassis. A 12 point cage and a strut front end does not constitute a tube chassis. With due respect to the authors, don't quote an internet article that was written after the fact, or something you see in MCG. Articles are informative and entertaining, but unless it's a technical reference or comes diredtly from the source, it's not gospel. That being said, here's the bottom line: if you show up with a chassis, like what is shown in the attached drawing, with Duster body panels fastened to it, you'll be sent packing immediately. Era correct cars and era correct updates are what we're lookin for. Keep in mind, if you've ever seen Kev's '73 Missle, you know the car was cut hard, but it's still legal because it's not a tube chassis.
OK, time to man up. Who's going to race with us this year? Attach a photo of your car, whether it's finished or not.
Peace.
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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here!
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06/01/09 09:20 PM
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What about '70-'72 Darts? I know there were a few in P/S during that time.
Also, Wedges are allowed correct? Whether it be big or small block?
Wedges are welcome, no problem. Dart Swingers? Give us some examples, please. 
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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here!
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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here!
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Re: Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here!
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there were ALOT of factory cars--Landy, Grotheer, Rod Shop, even Ford Had its "Ford of Canada" drag team, impressive sitting in the pits, but for me the personification & epitome' of professionalism was S&M. My big dream growing up was to work for them- -- too bad I was about 6-8 years too young! 
