Nostalgia Pro Stock Association is here!

In 1979, S&M experimented with a Powerglide in the IHRA Hemi match-race Omni that I own.
Trivia for the day,
Reed in Neb.

Your missing the point. DId it have a transbrake? Yes or NO. Chic Denino is a very good friend of my dad's. I think I know the answer.

Herb Jr

It's hard/impossible to please everyone when you are trying something new.
Best of luck with your association !

"Your missing the point. DId it have a transbrake? Yes or NO. Chic Denino is a very good friend of my dad's. I think I know the answer."
-------------------------------------------------If this was directed at me Herbjr then --
Yes,the S&M Omni was experimented with a PG and a trans-brake (Chick & Ronnie both tested it) --- trans wasn't reliable enuff so they went back to the Lenco. That is one of the reason's that I restored the Omni that way - something different but yet correctly documented.
Talked to Chick and your Dad today, they're some of the finest gentlemen that I both respect and admire. Chick helped me a LOT with the restoration of the S&M "Jet X" Omni - I can never thank him enough !
Herbjr, Feel free to call me at: 308-380-8630.
Thank you, Reed in Neb.

have arrow on jig. let me know for sure about this class want to build clone of leals arrow. was going to stretch wheel base to 104 and run top sportsman but would rather do this deal. let me know on trans. also. thanks.maybe this deal will come thur.

fans love ford chevy mopar matches just look at nascar.this is going to be great. will talk to some old timers down here in the south and let them know its a go.been waiting a long time fo something like this. thanks

"What more cooler than a 283 manually shifted 4 speed wagon NOT A JERICO SISSY MATIC."

Well, I saw Jack Mullin's 421 SD Wagon (SS/O?) circa 1975 run in a Division 2 race at Bradenton. That was a fun car to watch as Jack banged the gears in that big ol' wagon. That Chevy wagon sounds like one of the Jr. Stockers from the late 1960s. There is a guy that runs in Division 4 with a 55-57 Chevy (not a wagon) that runs a 4-speed in SS. I think the little engines are fun to watch since they buzz the heck out of them.

One aspect of the Auto vs. Stick debate here is the sticks were quicker in 1970. If they had the torque converters and a Proflite tranny available back then, how many guys would have run one of those? OK, we know Ronnie, Donnie and Herb still would have run the sticks, but I would guess some of the lesser masters of the 4-speed might have switched. Not all of us are that good.

On the other hand, the 4-speed still sounds better and reflects the era better. I'm for keeping it period correct, but the automatics were legal at the time. I don't think the Clutchflite was reliable. SS/AH is still exciting even though most have the auto. I think the manual still has a HP/weight break over the auto in that class.

Some will take offense but hopefully appreciate my .02 cents.
I know for a fact, the people do know the difference between a manual and an automatic.
In staging lanes see v-gate and look twice.
on track complete different attitude of car motion.
There is know way a 2 speed slush box is representitive of a nostalgic pro stocker.
A lenco is even pushing the limit but is more acceptable than a converter.
Dont insult the people that lived and achieved all they did with a compromise because of convenience.
To earn respect of them, keep it correct in spite of difficulties, just as it was done back then.
Sure there are costs, what doesnt.
What is factual?

Mopar + powerglide =

well said. lets just get it going. and dont forget the grills and beer.

UMMMMMm

I found something. In the 70's if you had an automatic you had to run a coorporate transmission.

All I'm saying is keep them period correct. There were no tranny brakes back then.

yep thats the one that does it for me.somebody start a post for mini prostock cars.

Herbs car at the Hemi reunion was absolutely beautiful, what a ride.
833 no pg.

yep arrows and colts, smallblock and manual trans.
---Yummy---

I drove that car about 100 feet and in the trailer one time, my dad 72 demon I'm talking about. To look at the carb linkage with 1 to 1 on 8 barrels and just think about putting it at 7500 and dumping the clutch is .........well you cant put it in to words. To think his job everyday was to get PAID to match race that car 3 to 4 days a week is hard to imagine.

At the bank:

So what do you do for a living?

"Well I drive a hemi with 2 fours 4 speed with a dana 4 days a week." The banker says, "No not for fun for money."

Haha

Racers today have no idea what is was like back then. They loved what they did and got paid for it. No 500K + rigs, no stringers the racers would talk to you on request, (or at least Herb would).

Have a good day.


Herb McCandless Jr

yep. after burnout a couple of dry hops WOW better than sex. p.s. would like to send best whishes to dan dvorak after losing his leg.

Some ride for sure, no comparison to an auto.
My last ride was more than I could handle.
Got away from me into 2nd gear, put it ino the opposing lane concrete wall.
Now its sitting waiting funds.
Would I trade it for an auto???
I'd rather walk...
Found issue with brake system that didnt help entire situation.

Ok, here’s the PRELIMINARY rules. To summarize, this is a nostalgia footbrake class. The intent is to put on a show, for fun, which participants can compete in affordably. Hemi, Big Block and Small Block engines (with a weight reduction) are eligible to compete. No trans brakes or 2 steps. Automatics allowed, though not encouraged in new builds. Let the shredding begin…

Nostalgia Pro Stock

1. Classes:
Footbrake class open to vehicles formerly used in Pro Stock competition. Vehicles need not be authentic former Pro Stock cars. Clone cars acceptable. Tribute (period correct) cars acceptable. The following vehicles are eligible to compete:
Class I: 1969-70 AMC AMX, 1971-74 AMC Javelin, 1971-77 AMC Hornet, 1969-73 Chevrolet Camaro, 1969-74 Chevrolet Nova, 1970-74 Dodge Challenger, 1971-72 Dodge Demon, 1973-76 Dodge Dart Sport 1970-77 Ford Maverick, 1969-70 Mercury Cougar, 1971-77 Mercury Comet, 1969-73 Ford Mustang, 1969-74 Plymouth Barracuda, 1970-76 Plymouth Duster, 1969-73 Pontiac Firebird.
Class II: 1970-78 AMC Gremlin, 1971-77 Chevrolet Vega, 1974-81 Chevrolet Camaro, 1971-78 Dodge Colt, 1976-80 Dodge Aspen, 1978-83 Dodge Challenger, 1978-83 Dodge Omni 024/Charger, 1971-79 Ford Pinto, 1974-81 Ford Mustang II, 1971-73 Plymouth Cricket, 1976-80 Plymouth Volare, 1976-80 Plymouth Arrow, 1978-83 Plymouth Horizon TC3/Turismo, 1974-81 Pontiac Firebird.
All vehicles must dial at an established class index during eliminations: (8.00, 8.50, 9.00, 9.50, 10.00). Contestants will qualify based on running closest to their index without running quicker, during time trials. Vehicles may not run quicker than their index during eliminations. Cars will be laddered beginning with the first round of eliminations.

2. Ballast:
Removable ballast limited to 250 pounds. Weight must be installed in acceptable weight box, installed in trunk and attached to the frame or cross member. No liquid or loose ballast permitted.

3: Body:
a. Class I: Minimum wheelbase 100 inches. Original steel body shell must be retained. Bodies in white acceptable. Alterations permitted if retaining an overall stock appearance. Excessive weight reduction must not be visible. Fiberglass or other lightweight body panels are allowed for front fenders, hood, doors, bumpers, splash panels, valance panels and deck lid.
Class II: Minimum wheelbase 92 inches. Original steel body shell required. Alterations permitted if retaining an overall stock appearance. Fiberglass or other lightweight body panels are allowed for front fenders, hood, doors, bumpers, splash panels, valance panels and deck lid.
b. Fender Splash Pans: Full inner panels are not required.
c. Firewall: Firewall may be moved rearward from stock location for engine installation. May be replaced with .028 inch steel or .040 inch aluminum.
d. Floors: May be replaced with .028 inch steel or .040 inch aluminum.
e. Frame: Class I: Must use stock frame for car body used. Properly reinforced stepped frames permitted. Cross members may only be altered or relocated for engine or transmission clearance. Additional members may be added for roll cage installation. Class II: Any properly reinforced frame (tube chassis) permitted. Additional members may be added for roll cage installation.
f. Grille: Must be full production for make, model and year claimed. Covering in front of grille prohibited. Vehicle must retain stock head lamps, tail lamps and turn signals.
g. Hood/Scoop: Hood required in all classes. Hood may be modified to clear intake manifold. Era-correct (snorkel, lump) hood scoop required. No “aero” scoops permitted.
h. Interior: Upholstered aftermarket front bucket type seats permitted (two required). Rear seat may be removed. Aftermarket dashboard with aftermarket gauges allowed.
i. Spoilers: OEM spoilers allowed. All rear spoilers other than those originally factory installed must not be more than four inches high and must be mounted behind the rear axle. Any rear spoiler must be integrated into the overall body design and be painted to match. No air dams.
j. Windows: Windshield and windows must be of safety glass, Lexan, Plexiglass, or other shatter-proof material. Windows not required to be operative.
k. Wheel Tubs: Wheel tubs of any size are allowed if legal wheels and tires are positioned in stock location relative to exterior body lines.

4. Brakes:
Brakes required on all four wheels. Aftermarket units allowed. Line-locks permitted.

5. Chassis:
Sub frames may be joined. Rear frame may be moved in or reconstructed for rear tire and wheel tub clearance. Roll cage required in all vehicles per NHRA General Regulation 4:11. Vehicles must have current NHRA chassis inspection sticker.

6. Drivetrain:
a. Any transmission with a maximum of five forward speeds and reverse allowed. Clutchless units accepted. Must remain in conventional location determined by engine used.
b. Rear End: Any rear end allowed, provided it was original equipment in an American production car. Aftermarket housings and axles, along with any gear ratio, are allowed.
c. Driveshaft Loop: Required.

7. Electrical:
Battery may be relocated. Electrically driven fans and water pumps permitted. Charging system not required.

8. Electronics:
a. The following electronics are not permitted; timed ignition interruption devices (stutter boxes), delay boxes, air and mechanical throttle stops, trans brakes, air shifters, dual line locks.
b. Computers and Data Recorders are allowed as long as they do not activate any function of the vehicle. Playback tachometers are allowed. No front wheel, hub or drive shaft pickups.
c. Electronic ignition components are permitted. Rpm limiters may be used for burnout and high side only, not as a launch device. 2 and 3 Step Module Selectors not permitted.

9. Engine:
a. Block: Restricted to original assembly line block or aftermarket replacement block. Must be same make as body used. Aluminum blocks allowed. Any displacement and internal modifications are allowed.
b. Carburetion: Limited to two four-barrel American automotive carburetors.
c. Cylinder Heads: Aluminum aftermarket heads allowed. Must retain original external overall appearance. Any internal modifications allowed.
d. Intake Manifold: Any dual four intake manifold permitted.
e. Oiling System: Dry sump systems permitted.

10. Exhaust:
Open headers allowed.

11. Fuel:
Only gasoline fuel is permitted. Aftermarket fuel cells, electric fuel pumps and regulators allowed. No nitrous oxide.

12. Ignition:
Any aftermarket ignition systems, wiring and electronic conversion kits are allowed. See “General Racing Rules” for electronics restrictions.

13. Radiator:
Any size radiator in stock location allowed. 16 oz. catch can required.

14. Safety:
a. Helmets: Must meet SNELL or SFI 31.2A or 41.2A specifications. All helmets must have the appropriate certification sticker affixed inside the helmet.
b. Protective Clothing: Jacket and pants must meet SFI Spec 3.2A/5.
c. Seat Belts: Required in all vehicles. Three inch safety harness must meet SFI Spec 16.1 and be less than two years old.

15. Steering:
Stock type steering in conventional location required. Rack and pinion steering permitted.

16. Suspension:
Aftermarket front suspension permitted. Front suspension limiters permitted. Sway bar optional. Solid bushings in rear suspension allowed. Leaf springs may be moved inboard for tire clearance. Ladder bars or four-link rear suspensions allowed. Wheelie bars allowed.

17. Tires:
Front tires must have a minimum tread width of 4.5 inches. Rear slicks are permitted and are limited to a maximum side wall designation of 14.5 inches of width by 33 inches of diameter. Tire tread may not extend outside of fender. Maximum clearance between sidewall and body is 3 inches.

18. Weight:
Class I: Minimum weight 2400 pounds. Vehicle with 366 cubic inch engine or less may weigh 2100 pounds.
Class II: Minimum weight 2100 pounds.

19. Wheelbase:
Modifications permitted, +/- 1 inch. Alterations may not exceed 2%. Wink, wink.

20. Wheels:
Minimum 3.5 inches width required on the front. Any rear width is allowed as long as it fits under the stock wheel well opening.

21. Rule Discrepancy: In the event of a rule discrepancy or if a subject is not covered herein, defer to the current NHRA rule book based on vehicle Elapsed Time.

22. Technical Inspection: The guidelines set within, and the safety rules set forth by NHRA are intended solely as the minimum acceptable standards. Safety is the responsibility of the participant. Prior to competition, all vehicles and drivers must pass the host facility’s tech inspection. NHRA safety regulations supersede any and all other regulations. The final interpretation of any and all rules concerning safety is solely at the discretion of the host facility’s Tech Director. NNPSA makes no representations, warranties, or assurances that a technical inspection will: detect every problem with a vehicle or a driver’s personal equipment or clothing; detect every problem with rules compliance, or prevent injury, death or property damage. All materials copyright 2009 Jeff Johnson and the National Nostalgic Pro Stock Association.

You could see a McCandless running this possibly. It wont be Herb Sr. But Myself and Mike may.


Herb Jr

Thanks Herb. Tell the "old man" I said hi.

I'll give it a try.

Jeff,
Have you talked with John Troxel and Scott Gardner, promoters of the "Midwest Nostalgia Pro Stock Series" ??
Their rules are similar and I think you have a better chance of having new cars built if there are a couple of venues at which the racers can participate using the same rules. I'm, of course, partial to their rules as they specify 4 speed only transmissions. It will be interesting as to which series will become more popular. I have a hunch. Heres a link to a Drag Racing Online article covering their series:
http://www.dragracingonline.com/agent1320/2009/1320-xi_1-13.html

Hmmm Nostalgia Footbrake.
Gonna pass on that.

Thanks all the same.

From what I read, they are only considering a series. With those limited rules and the fact that most owners of original cars will not race theirs, where are they getting their car count? Having done this before, 8 cars is a stretch. 16 cars? No way. Especially with the auto/trans brake/2-step debate. Our series is a done deal. We just need to compromise on the final rules. Please keep the input coming! BTW: your Duster... das what I'm talkin' 'bout!

They do have 3 races booked- St. Louis. Kansas City and Cordova.

Looks like my '74 Colt will not fit the Class II body requirements.

I can remove the cover over the grille, but I do not have the factory head lights(decal now) and the front turn signals have been removed and filled in.

Chucko, you can pretty easily find those parts---I'll happily pit for you!
!!

Our deal is a done deal. The class & rules as listed on Drag Racing Online will be contested at the Muscle Car Reunion & Nostalgia Drags May 29-31, Gateway International Raceway; Nostalgia Fest, Cordova Raceway June 26-27; Muscle Car Reunion & Nostalgia Drags, September 11-13, Kansas City Internationa Raceway. I won't have time to debate this class here as we are getting ready for our event in St. Louis, so, if you have questions call us directly. Our event phone is 573-644-3272. Our events are 1974 and back, the rules are simple. We don't want another class that takes a specialized team of tech guys to tech the cars. If you want to run, be there. If no one shows this year, it's simple, the class goes away. We are not interested in running the class above with those rules. Not one person is pre registered for the class and pre registration is closed with over 200 cars entered for St Louis. We expect close to 500 cars, 400 competed last year. If no one supports the class our events continue on, but, we would like to have another heads up class other than the alcohol & nitro classes.
John Troxel
www.musclecarreunion.com

Sorry John. I had no idea you were that far along. I meant no disrespect. My friend Jeff Martin at KCIR tells me your events are fantastic. We'll talk when things slow down.

Also here's a pic I took of Jim Thompson's 340 Pro Stock - B/A Colt at the 1976 Springs.

That would change things from my perspective also.
Did enough of "no 2 step" vs footbrake to know about it.
Thanks.

If you think a footbrake automatic has an advantage on a PRO Tree over a Stick what the hell are you drinking. This is a Pro Tree class isnt it? If so there is NO way you can leave footbraking with a stick. If you think you can lets go grudge race somewhere just bring lots of $$$$$$$$.


Herb Jr

The early days of Super Gas where you had no Electronics Herb McCandless won ever local race for 3 years, 2 nhra points races he only went to 3 and an IHRA race. This was early 80's. Ill take my 3rd pedal against any footbrake automatic on a 400 pro tree. But you can run what you want. I ran a lenco bracket racing in the late 80's with no 2 step on the low side, never broke anything. Believe it or not but DRIVERS USE TO HAVE TO DRIVE. Thats what seperated the men from the ......ones trying to be men.

Herb McCandless Jr

If this is to be a "Pro" class, then there should be some "pro" driving. With all due respect to guys out there that are better than me (and there are ALOT out there) I don't need to see a glorified bracket race with guys using high-dollar, historical vehicles (or copies) that are nursing them along with modern-day electronics & gadgetry --- it's too easy. Now if, in your view, using your car means it may get damaged, or whatever, fine --don't run the series. Guys like me can respect you & your car for what it was and let's everyone be happy. But for the serious admirer of good 'ol P/S-match racing this is where the series can shine & the teams can get a loyal, active following, just like the old days.If I could ever get rid of this Altered I'd seriously look at building a car for this despite living a thousand miles away--- come to think of it, I may build one anyway . Any how, th epoint is, as I said before some guys are forgetting the purpose of the series and what it represents. Look at the original ideas, think it over & if you like it, run it. This trying to make exceptions/excuses for cars seems to me, as a racer & a potential spectator is BS-----just my

Sorry, but I got to go with keeping the cars as they were originally run . With a stick! Plus allowing Data recorders? No such device in the 70's. I loved watching the old Pro Stocks and have a few pictures of those cars in the 70's when I visisted Englishtown back then. Every year we have 2 nostaligia days at LVD and my favorite cars are always the stick shifted cars. To those that can't tell the difference of a 4 speed vs. glide, just look at the shifter!

Well your right Joe, at least with a STICK you dont have to put it in Park.

I don't recall the Pro tree being around in the early 1970s. Didn't they run off the old five yellow tree back then?

Sort of off topic... I've come to the realization that time constraints and family will not allow me to complete my own Nostalgia Pro Stock project. Ergo, I offer my 73 Duster, rust free TX car with a brand new 9" and 4 link. Thought I'd throw it out here before I put it on eBay next week. $7500. PM if interested. Thanks.

Well, I DO have a spare set... Will these work Fred?

Forget Roy Hill. Check out the Shelby Mustang Pro Stocker parked next to him. National Trail 1975.

how about ride height ? building the arrow count me in

I've never met Roy Hill personally, but I've seen him on TV and he reminds me of a drill sargeant in basic training. I suppose in some way that is what he is at driving school, but I think I'd try Frank Hawley first. Hopefully Roy doesn't make you do 100 pushups if you screw up?

So when & where is the first race? And what kind of car count do you have so far?

Here are the updated rules.

2009 Nostalgia Pro Stock Rules

1. Classes:
Open to vehicles formerly used in Pro Stock competition. Vehicles need not be authentic former Pro Stock cars. Clone cars acceptable. Tribute (period correct) cars acceptable. The following vehicles are eligible to compete:
Class I: 1969-70 AMC AMX, 1971-74 AMC Javelin, 1971-77 AMC Hornet, 1969-73 Chevrolet Camaro, 1969-74 Chevrolet Nova, 1970-74 Dodge Challenger, 1970-71 Dodge Dart, 1971-72 Dodge Demon, 1973-76 Dodge Dart Sport 1970-77 Ford Maverick, 1969-70 Mercury Cougar, 1971-77 Mercury Comet, 1969-73 Ford Mustang, 1969-74 Plymouth Barracuda, 1970-76 Plymouth Duster, 1969-73 Pontiac Firebird.
Class II: 1970-78 AMC Gremlin, 1971-77 Chevrolet Vega, 1974-81 Chevrolet Camaro, 1971-78 Dodge Colt, 1976-80 Dodge Aspen, 1978-83 Dodge Challenger, 1978-83 Dodge Omni 024/Charger, 1971-79 Ford Pinto, 1974-81 Ford Mustang II, 1971-73 Plymouth Cricket, 1976-80 Plymouth Volare, 1976-80 Plymouth Arrow, 1978-83 Plymouth Horizon TC3/Turismo, 1974-81 Pontiac Firebird.
All vehicles must dial at an established class index during eliminations: (8.50, 9.00, 9.50, 10.00). Contestants will qualify based on running closest to their index without running quicker, during time trials. Vehicles may not run quicker than their index during eliminations. Cars will be laddered beginning with the first round of eliminations.

2. Ballast:
Removable ballast limited to 250 pounds. Weight must be installed in acceptable weight box, installed in trunk and attached to the frame or cross member. No liquid or loose ballast permitted.

3: Body:
a. Class I: Minimum wheelbase 100 inches. Original steel body shell must be retained. Bodies in white acceptable. Alterations permitted if retaining an overall stock appearance. Excessive weight reduction must not be visible. Fiberglass or other lightweight body panels are allowed for front fenders, hood, doors, bumpers, splash panels, valance panels and deck lid.
Class II: Minimum wheelbase 92 inches. Original steel body shell required. Alterations permitted if retaining an overall stock appearance. Fiberglass or other lightweight body panels are allowed for front fenders, hood, doors, bumpers, splash panels, valance panels and deck lid.
b. Fender Splash Pans: Full inner panels are not required.
c. Firewall: Firewall may be moved rearward from stock location for engine installation. May be replaced with .028 inch steel or .040 inch aluminum.
d. Floors: May be replaced with .028 inch steel or .040 inch aluminum.
e. Frame: Class I: Back-halved cars only. Must use stock frame for car body used. Properly reinforced stepped frames permitted. Cross members may only be altered or relocated for engine or transmission clearance. Class II: Back halved or tube chassis cars. Any properly reinforced frame permitted.
f. Grille: Must be full production for make, model and year claimed. Covering in front of grille prohibited. Vehicle must retain stock head lamps, tail lamps and turn signals.
g. Hood/Scoop: Hood required in all classes. Hood may be modified to clear intake manifold. Era-correct (snorkel, lump) hood scoop required. No “aero” scoops permitted.
h. Interior: Aftermarket front bucket type seats permitted. Rear seat may be removed. Aftermarket replacement dashboard with aftermarket gauges allowed.
i. Paint: Era-correct paint, lettering and decals are encouraged.
j. Spoilers: OEM spoilers allowed. All rear spoilers other than those originally factory installed must not be more than four inches high and must be mounted behind the rear axle. Any rear spoiler must be integrated into the overall body design and be painted to match. No air dams.
k. Windows: Windshield and windows must be of safety glass, Lexan, Plexiglass, or other shatter-proof material. Operative windows not required. “Pro” lettering must be on windows, with no bracket or other class designations.
l. Wheel Tubs: Wheel tubs of any size are allowed if legal wheels and tires are positioned in stock location relative to exterior body lines.

4. Brakes:
Brakes required on all four wheels. Aftermarket units allowed. Line-locks permitted.

5. Chassis:
Sub frames may be joined. Rear frame may be moved in or reconstructed for rear tire and wheel tub clearance. Roll cage required in all vehicles per NHRA General Regulation 4:11. Vehicles must have current NHRA chassis inspection sticker.

6. Drivetrain:
a. Any transmission with a maximum of four forward speeds and reverse allowed. Trans brake permitted with automatic transmission. Clutchless units accepted. Must remain in conventional location determined by engine used.
b. Rear End: Any rear end allowed, provided it was original equipment in an American production car. Aftermarket housings and axles, along with any gear ratio, are allowed.
c. Driveshaft Loop: Required.

7. Electrical:
Battery may be relocated. Electrically driven fans and water pumps permitted. Charging system not required.

8. Electronics:
a. The following electronics are not permitted; timed ignition interruption devices (stutter boxes), delay boxes, air and mechanical throttle stops, air shifters, dual line locks.
b. Electronic ignition components are permitted. 2 Step Module Selectors permitted with manual transmission only.

9. Engine:
a. Block: Restricted to original assembly line block or aftermarket replacement block. Must be same make as body used. Aluminum blocks allowed. Any displacement and internal modifications are allowed.
b. Carburetion: Limited to two four-barrel American automotive carburetors.
c. Cylinder Heads: Aluminum aftermarket heads allowed. Must retain original external overall appearance. Any internal modifications allowed.
d. Intake Manifold: In-line dual four intake manifold required. Class I: cast only, Class II: sheet metal permitted.
e. Oiling System: Dry sump systems permitted.
f. No power adders permitted.

10. Exhaust:
Open headers allowed.

11. Fuel:
Only gasoline fuel is permitted. Aftermarket fuel cells, electric fuel pumps and regulators allowed. No nitrous oxide.

12. Ignition:
Any aftermarket ignition systems, wiring and electronic conversion kits are allowed. See “Electronics” restrictions above..

13. Radiator:
Any size radiator in stock location allowed. 16 oz. catch can required.

14. Safety:
a. Helmets: Must meet SNELL or SFI 31.2A or 41.2A specifications. All helmets must have the appropriate certification sticker affixed inside the helmet.
b. Protective Clothing: Jacket and pants must meet SFI Spec 3.2A/5.
c. Seat Belts: Required in all vehicles. Three inch safety harness must meet SFI Spec 16.1 and be less than two years old.

15. Steering:
Stock type steering in conventional location required. Rack and pinion steering permitted.

16. Suspension:
Aftermarket front suspension permitted. Front suspension limiters permitted. Solid bushings in rear suspension allowed. Leaf springs may be moved inboard for tire clearance. Ladder bars or four-link rear suspensions allowed. Wheelie bars allowed.

17. Tires:
Front tires must have a minimum tread width of 4.5 inches. Rear slicks are permitted and are limited to a maximum side wall designation of 14.5 inches of width by 33 inches of diameter. Tire tread may not extend outside of fender. Maximum clearance between sidewall and body is 3 inches.

18. Wheelbase:
Modifications and alterations of the era permitted. Vehicle must appear stock to the casual observer.

19. Wheels:
Minimum 3.5 inches width required on the front. Any rear width is allowed as long as it fits under the stock wheel well opening. Era-correct wheels are encouraged.

20. Rule Discrepancy: In the event of a rule discrepancy or if a subject is not covered herein, defer to the current NHRA rule book based on vehicle Elapsed Time. Rule adjustments subject to "spirit of the class" by NNPSA.

21. Technical Inspection: The guidelines set within, and the safety rules set forth by NHRA are intended solely as the minimum acceptable standards. Safety is the responsibility of the participant. Prior to competition, all vehicles and drivers must pass the host facility’s tech inspection. NHRA safety regulations supersede any and all other regulations. The final interpretation of any and all rules concerning safety is solely at the discretion of the host facility’s Tech Director. NNPSA makes no representations, warranties, or assurances that a technical inspection will: detect every problem with a vehicle or a driver’s personal equipment or clothing; detect every problem with rules compliance, or prevent injury, death or property damage. All materials copyright 2009 Jeff Johnson and the National Nostalgic Pro Stock Association.

I'm jazzed about these rules! This is almost exactly the way I envisioned this class should be 3 years ago. I think most folks will be able to do this, without too much trouble. If ya afford to build this type/fast of car, I think this is a worthwhile goal to work towards. Let's face it, nothing looked cooler than the first 2 generations of prostock cars. I guess I'll have to get my butt in gear, and do the last few things to the barndoor..........

Looks good to me - remember, you can't please everyone. -- Reed in Neb.

Why the no tube car rule for class I? The tube chassis cars started coming out in 1972. You are eliminating a bunch of ERA correct cars, for example, the Roy Hill (ex Butch Leal) Duster you have pictured would not be allowed to compete.

We have the John Hagen Pro Stock Duster, the car is being restored right now out west to be identical as it was run in the mid 70's Lenco and all, and I am putting together an ERA correct destroked 396 Pro Stock Hemi to the core, right down to those ungodly heavy steel rods.

Need to say that the McCandless Demon is as correct as I've seen a Mopar Pro Stock resto, job well done.

What about '70-'72 Darts? I know there were a few in P/S during that time.

Also, Wedges are allowed correct? Whether it be big or small block?

Yeah ! What about 68 / 69 Darts ? Lots of ex S/S cars turned Pro back then .

My understanding is the '68 cars ARE eligible. It's the early 70s A-bodies that some were unsure about . By then the Dusters & E-bodies were proven combos & some foresaw the smaller bodies coming so why build a Valiant/Scamp? I'm still hoping my altered sells so I can build a car for the class as I already have the driveline

I hope you`re right mine looks great for that class . It`s actually the "early pro stocks " that I modeled my build after .
Chryco

Looking at the rules (pg. 3 here), it looks like the cut-off for Category I is 1970, however the original rules accepted the '68 cars & there's more than enough proof of them running in P/S, so like the 71-72 Valiants I'm sure they'll be accepted. Btw I was just looking at an old book on P/S & it mentions the first Mopar Missile ran a clutchflite which should stir up more debate as to what trans are legal for the class.

Clutchflites were discussed IIRC.

I've had a busy summer, but the Nostalgia Pro Stocks are still a go. The program will debut at the Goodguys Rod and Custom Association Nostalgia Nationals, October 16-18, at Beech Bend Park in Bowling Green, Kentucky. On October 30th it will be a Friday only program at zMax Raceway for the Goodguys Southeastern Nationals in Charlotte, NC. Saturday the 31st, the cars will be in a static display inside the Lowes Motor Speedway. Entrants will receive free car and driver entry, free entry for 2 crew members, a $100 appearance fee, as well as color vehicle coverage in the Goodguys magazine and at www.good-guys.com. Bronze miniature Hemi trophies will be awarded as well. Authentic display-only vehicles will receive free entry and coverage. HemiFred has committed to zMax, as has the original Jenkins match race Monza. I've also spoken to several others of you who have expressed an interest in attending. Now is the time to commit! PM me if you're coming. Thanks!

OK, here's the final rules. We've opened it up so that Nostalgia Hemi SS/AA cars can compete without changing their grille and tail panel. Keep in mind, these rules are mainly a reminder of NHRA safety requirements. The other guidelines are to prevent this from becoming a class of bracket bombers (no offense to grass roots bracket racers ).

Nostalgia Pro Stock

1. Classes:
Open to vehicles formerly used in Pro Stock competition. Vehicles need not be authentic former Pro Stock cars. Clone cars acceptable. Tribute (period correct) cars acceptable. The following vehicles are eligible to compete:
Class I: 1968-70 AMC AMX, 1968-70 AMC Javelin, 1971-77 AMC Hornet, 1968-73 Chevrolet Camaro, 1968-74 Chevrolet Nova, 1968-72 Dodge Dart, 1970-74 Dodge Challenger, 1971-72 Dodge Demon, 1973-76 Dodge Dart Sport, 1970-77 Ford Maverick, 1968-70 Mercury Cougar, 1971-77 Mercury Comet, 1969-73 Ford Mustang, 1968-74 Plymouth Barracuda, 1970-76 Plymouth Duster, 1968-73 Pontiac Firebird.
Class II: 1970-78 AMC Gremlin, 1971-77 Chevrolet Vega, 1974-81 Chevrolet Camaro, 1975-80 Monza, 1971-78 Dodge Colt, 1976-80 Dodge Aspen, 1978-83 Dodge Challenger, 1978-83 Dodge Omni 024/Charger, 1971-79 Ford Pinto, 1974-81 Ford Mustang II, 1971-73 Plymouth Cricket, 1976-80 Plymouth Volare, 1976-80 Plymouth Arrow, 1978-83 Plymouth Horizon TC3/Turismo, 1974-81 Pontiac Firebird.
All vehicles must dial at an established class index during eliminations: (8.00, 8.50, 9.00, 9.50, 10.00). Contestants will qualify based on running closest to their index without running quicker, during time trials. Vehicles may not run quicker than their index during eliminations. Cars will be laddered beginning with the first round of eliminations.

2. Ballast:
Weight must be installed in acceptable weight box, installed in trunk and attached to the frame or cross member. No liquid or loose ballast permitted.

3: Body:
a. Class I: Minimum wheelbase 100 inches. Original steel body shell must be retained. Bodies in white acceptable. Alterations permitted if retaining an overall stock appearance. Excessive weight reduction must not be visible. Fiberglass or other lightweight body panels are allowed for front fenders, hood, doors, bumpers, splash panels, valance panels and deck lid.
Class II: Minimum wheelbase 92 inches. Original steel body shell required. Alterations permitted if retaining an overall stock appearance. Fiberglass or other lightweight body panels are allowed for front fenders, hood, doors, bumpers, splash panels, valance panels and deck lid.
b. Fender Splash Pans: Full inner panels are not required.
c. Firewall: Firewall may be moved rearward from stock location for engine installation. May be replaced with .028 inch steel or .040 inch aluminum.
d. Floors: May be replaced with .028 inch steel or .040 inch aluminum.
e. Frame: Class I: Back-halved cars only. Must use stock frame for car body used. Properly reinforced stepped frames permitted. Cross members may only be altered or relocated for engine or transmission clearance. Additional members may be added for roll cage installation. Class II: Back halved or tube chassis cars. Any properly reinforced frame permitted. Additional members may be added for roll cage installation.
f. Grille: Must be full production for make, model and year claimed. Covering in front of grille prohibited. Vehicle must retain stock head lamps, tail lamps and turn signals. Lights need not be operational.
g. Hood/Scoop: Hood required in all classes. Hood may be modified to clear intake manifold. Era-correct (snorkel, lump) hood scoop required. No “aero” scoops permitted.
h. Interior: Upholstered aftermarket front bucket type seats permitted (two required). Rear seat may be removed. Aftermarket replacement dashboard with aftermarket gauges allowed.
i. Paint: All cars must be painted in a style that reflects the era and paint colors available at the time. No primered vehicles. Decals and lettering must appear to be vintage. Contingency decals must represent products that are era correct.
j. Spoilers: OEM spoilers allowed. All rear spoilers other than those originally factory installed must not be more than four inches high and must be mounted behind the rear axle. Any rear spoiler must be integrated into the overall body design and be painted to match. No air dams.
k. Windows: Windshield and windows must be of safety glass, Lexan, Plexiglass, or other shatter-proof material. Windows not required to be operative.
l. Wheel Tubs: Wheel tubs of any size are allowed if legal wheels and tires are positioned in stock location relative to exterior body lines.

4. Brakes:
Brakes required on all four wheels. Aftermarket units allowed. Line-locks permitted.

5. Chassis:
Sub frames may be joined. Rear frame may be moved in or reconstructed for rear tire and wheel tub clearance. Roll cage required in all vehicles per NHRA General Regulation 4:11. Vehicles must have current NHRA chassis inspection sticker.

6. Drivetrain:
a. Any transmission with a maximum of four forward speeds and reverse allowed. Trans brake permitted with automatic transmission. Clutchless units accepted. Must remain in conventional location determined by engine used.
b. Rear End: Any rear end allowed, provided it was original equipment in an American production car. Aftermarket housings and axles, along with any gear ratio, are allowed.
c. Driveshaft Loop: Required.

7. Electrical:
Battery may be relocated. Electrically driven fans and water pumps permitted. Charging system not required.

8. Electronics:
a. The following electronics are not permitted; timed ignition interruption devices (stutter boxes), delay boxes, air and mechanical throttle stops, air shifters, dual line locks.
b. Computers and Data Recorders are allowed as long as they do not activate any function of the vehicle. Playback tachometers are allowed. No front wheel, hub or drive shaft pickups.
c. Electronic ignition components are permitted. Rpm limiters may be used for burnout and high side only, not as a launch device. 2 Step Module Selectors permitted with manual transmission only.

9. Engine:
a. Block: Restricted to original assembly line block or aftermarket replacement block. Must be same make as body used. Aluminum blocks allowed. Any displacement and internal modifications are allowed.
b. Carburetion: Limited to two four-barrel American automotive carburetors.
c. Cylinder Heads: Aluminum aftermarket heads allowed. Must retain original external overall appearance. Any internal modifications allowed.
d. Intake Manifold: Cast in-line dual four intake manifold required.
e. Oiling System: Dry sump systems permitted.
f. No power adders permitted.

10. Exhaust:
Open headers allowed.

11. Fuel:
Only gasoline fuel is permitted. Aftermarket fuel cells, electric fuel pumps and regulators allowed. No nitrous oxide.

12. Ignition:
Any aftermarket ignition systems, wiring and electronic conversion kits are allowed. See “Electronics” for additional restrictions.

13. Radiator:
Any size radiator in stock location allowed. 16 oz. catch can required.

14. Safety:
a. Helmets: Must meet SNELL or SFI 31.2A or 41.2A specifications. All helmets must have the appropriate certification sticker affixed inside the helmet.
b. Protective Clothing: Jacket and pants must meet SFI Spec 3.2A/5.
c. Seat Belts: Required in all vehicles. Three inch safety harness must meet SFI Spec 16.1 and be less than two years old.

15. Steering:
Stock type steering in conventional location required. Rack and pinion steering permitted.

16. Suspension:
Aftermarket front suspension permitted. Front suspension limiters permitted. Sway bar optional. Solid bushings in rear suspension allowed. Leaf springs may be moved inboard for tire clearance. Ladder bars or four-link rear suspensions allowed. Wheelie bars allowed.

17. Tires:
Front tires must have a minimum tread width of 4.5 inches. Rear slicks are permitted and are limited to a maximum side wall designation of 14.5 inches of width by 33 inches of diameter. Tire tread may not extend outside of fender. Maximum clearance between sidewall and body is 3 inches.

18. Weight:
Class I: Minimum weight 2400 pounds. Vehicle with 366 cubic inch engine or less may weigh 2100 pounds.
Class II: Minimum weight 2100 pounds.

19. Wheelbase:
Era-accepted modifications permitted.

20. Wheels:
Minimum 3.5 inches width required on the front. Any rear width is allowed as long as it fits under the stock wheel well opening.

21. Rule Discrepancy: In the event of a rule discrepancy or if a subject is not covered herein, defer to the current NHRA rule book based on vehicle Elapsed Time.

22. Technical Inspection: The guidelines set within, and the safety rules set forth by NHRA are intended solely as the minimum acceptable standards. Safety is the responsibility of the participant. Prior to competition, all vehicles and drivers must pass the host facility’s tech inspection. NHRA safety regulations supersede any and all other regulations. The final interpretation of any and all rules concerning safety is solely at the discretion of the host facility’s Tech Director. NNPSA makes no representations, warranties, or assurances that a technical inspection will: detect every problem with a vehicle or a driver’s personal equipment or clothing; detect every problem with rules compliance, or prevent injury, death or property damage. Non-safety related guidelines are set to ensure that vehicles represent the spirit of the class, not as a means of disqualification. All materials copyright 2009 Jeff Johnson and the National Nostalgic Pro Stock Association.

Jeff,

I have a couple questions about this. I sold my Dart, but am not out yet, still have my '82 Horizon. Are two front seats required in Class II also?

About the electronics, I have no problem with taking my delay box out, but a question about my three step. Can I just remove the launch rpm chip and leave the other two alone, or must it be a two step only?

Thanks,
Steve.

Steve, we're not going to give people a hard time on the rules (at least not at first). The purpose is to have fun and put on a show that folks don't see everyday. Add the seat when you get the time and $. The 3-step will probably be ok, but if anyone catches you using it, you're out. Let's follow the spirit of the rules, slap on some vintage decals and enjoy ourselves.

I have no intentions on using the 3 step, I really don't even need the high side, just the burnout. I just didn't want to have to cut a bunch of wires and so on.

The car will be lettered by next year. I will not be able to make the two events this year, just hoping to have something going by next year.

Fred the only one coming ?????

Check out the Press Release on Comp Plus! I've gotten over 40 responses in the last day! http://www.competitionplus.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11832&Itemid=6

Inquiries I've received fall into one of the four following categories:
A. I have an eligible car, ready to race or show, and plan on attending either Bowling Green or Charlotte.
B. I have a car which I will modify with the intention of being ready to race in 2010.
C. I intend to build a car for future competition.
D. I’m a fan and would love to see more of these cars.
If you wish to be a part of this program please PM me with your Postal mailing address, email address, photo of your car, or plans for a future vehicle.
http://www.good-guys.com/news/newsStory.aspx?newsid=1379

I hope someone takes video of this class.

How far west are they planning take this ???.

For now it's Ohio, Indy, Bowling Green, Charlotte and Chicago. We may go to Washington state and SoCal in 2011.

BTW for those of you who asked, E85 is permitted.

If anyone is interested in Bowling Green, you have to pre-register with me asap if you want to get paid and get free entry. I've got Chevies coming but, so far, no Mopars.

Well the motor home is loaded and I'm getting ready to head to Beech Bend. I'll post a report next week.

It looks like the Class 2 cars have quite an advantage in lower weight and still can run a big engine. It looks like the Class 1 cars have to run smaller than 366 CID to run at 2100#, but the Class 2 cars run at 2100# with no restriction on engine size. Maybe I'm not reading it right, or something is missing from the rules.

Going to have to call JC Childress about this one. He has been looking for a reason to get this going again..


This is Kowalsky Racing Engines employee JC Childress' NHRA Super Stock Plymouth Duster ( 360 Mopar power ) Going to have to "Hemify it"

Yep, I don't see how anyone can have an advantage index racing.

Nice shot of the Stepp Arrow. I know the current owner has been collecting pieces to redo the car.

OK, what happened to the great unvailing at Bowling Green? I never even heard a class call for Nostalgia Pro Stock. Did the mist on Thursday and Friday scare them away? The altered ran it's best times this year last weekend, also ran it's quickest 60 ft. times. With the Nostalgia Funny Cars in the 5's, you can't say the track wasn't there!

Well the weather really blew at Bowling Green. Drizzle all day Thursday and Friday, the temp never got much above 50 degrees. Sat am it was 38 degrees. Got all of the racing in and Sunny was beautiful. No P/S cars though, but plenty of drivers and owners stopped by to chat. Everyone is excited about next year. Congrats to HemiFred and Tom Bryant for getting the ball rolling at zMax next week!

zMax is this Friday. Anyone besides Fred going? Free entry and $100.00 tow money for Nostalgia Pro Stock...

*** Any one planning on attending who's traveling to NC from the west beware I-40 is closed between mile marker 2 and 8 for a massive rock slide over the weekend. The detour takes you about an hour north to Johnson City TN then back down. Heres a DOT link for the detour.
http://www.ncdot.org/traffictravel/TIMS_Incidents/I-40_Slides_Map_2009.pdf

Good Luck to all who are attending

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there's no other way to keep it from becoming a big money class. it all for fun right now

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This from a guy that's having a 604 Hemi being built. Fred, that would work to your advantage. I think the spectators would like to see some heads-up racing.

The best racing is all heads-up that I can see - Hemi Shootouts, Pro Mod, T/S, etc. Not cheap classes at all though. There is always someone with too much money, like 700 CID Super Gas cars with Pro Stock chassis, etc. If I can't win in this class, I'll drop down until I can kick everyone's butt.