Re: necessary to remove rockers in the off season?
[Re: 70satelliteguy]
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11/08/22 08:46 PM
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moparacer
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Motion wears a spring out, not a constant state...If that were the case springs that have set around on engines for years that have not been run would be junk.
I would think you could make the case for backing the rockers off to close the valves to prevent moisture and anything from entering an engine. I once seen a race engine that was left set over the winter, with large lift cam, that mice carried a cylinder full of seeds...
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Re: necessary to remove rockers in the off season?
[Re: 70satelliteguy]
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11/09/22 09:26 AM
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sr4440
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I wouldn't be worried about the springs, but I would be worried about condensation forming in the cylinders. Of course, if you live in the desert or somewhere that gets cold and stays cold, I wouldn't worry about that either.
Joe
Fyi seen the same thing with mice at a buddies shop, mice ran up the header and filled the engine with corn through an open exhaust valve. Found it when he pulled the header to install in his truck.
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Re: necessary to remove rockers in the off season?
[Re: sr4440]
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11/09/22 09:41 AM
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Brad_Haak
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Spray moisture-displacing fogger "stuff" in the plug holes and rotate the crank to expose the valve seats while you're doing it. While it's the off season, rotate the crank 90* every month to ensure the same seats & valves aren't exposed the entire time. Plug or tape shut any exposed holes (carb, exhaust) to keep the elements from getting in.
I have first-hand experience w/ what happens when you DON'T do this; it required pulling the heads to get the valves & seats touched up that had rusted during the down time... totally self-inflicted.
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Re: necessary to remove rockers in the off season?
[Re: Brad_Haak]
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11/09/22 10:17 AM
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Moisture/rust on the valve seat is the biggest threat. Back them off, stuff NERF footballs into the header collector, and be safe for next year.
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Re: necessary to remove rockers in the off season?
[Re: JERICOGTX]
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11/09/22 10:43 AM
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Heated garage , I start mine up every so often, warm it up .. I like the smell of fresh 112 in the garage
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Re: necessary to remove rockers in the off season?
[Re: bigdad]
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11/09/22 11:54 AM
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I start mine up every so often
Most of the cylinder and ring wear occurs when starting it dead cold, Ricardo discovered this 100 years ago. It's not warmed up - the water is. To warm up the oil (removing acid, water vapor, etc.) it must be run under load.
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Re: necessary to remove rockers in the off season?
[Re: polyspheric]
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11/09/22 01:38 PM
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On the heads up car that sits for long periods of time we do not back anything off...We pull the carb and drain it clean it and WD40 it. We fog the engine after we have drained the fuel with a fogging agent while spinning it over. We then put plugs in the collectors and let it sit. These are springs that at 500 on the seat!! Wer worry way more about moisture especially since it spends extended periods back east in a trailer all summer. I do have a couple cars that sit more than get used and we will sping them over poeriodically but worry way more about moisture than anything else.
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Re: necessary to remove rockers in the off season?
[Re: 70satelliteguy]
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11/09/22 02:06 PM
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Like some that do or like some that don't...it's basically a personal choice. Moisture is the biggest concern. Years ago there were some collector plugs that were sold through Dan Dvorak, made of stainless and filled with desiccant that would draw the moisture out of the engine on the exhaust side. Memory (?). hmm... he stated to drain/remove the carb and silicone the areas that needed sealing in an attempt to keep all moisture to a bare minimum, he may have even mentioned backing off the valvetrain as well. From what I recall, the pair of plugs were about $125/set, at which point, I bought a set and they work quite well too! Nonetheless, good engine off-season storage/maintenance has been pretty-well covered in the above posts...eliminate the moisture and you're good, don't eliminate it and you'll have short-life in your expensive race toy!
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