Re: New 440 block
[Re: Thelma133]
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10/18/22 02:46 PM
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I have read many people made 800 horsepower with a 400 block and it lived. I called Koffel, and he builds these strokers all the time, He said that 800 was the limit. I'm at 850 on a 440 block. Does this mean I should be worried? LOL!
'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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Re: New 440 block
[Re: GY3]
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10/18/22 02:59 PM
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Pretty much any aftermarket block is better than a stock one....but At one time i was going 9 teens at 140?? at 3500lbs , but at the time i looked at a calculator and it was 900+? hp , stock RB block, Stock caps, just alum rods. Its like russian roullette, if your lucky....your lucky....
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Re: New 440 block
[Re: GTXMEX]
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10/18/22 05:00 PM
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I'm considering buying a new 440 block versus investing in the used one I was going to start with. Investing in the Milodon support, all the various machining, etc. What would be the best, most cost effective new block to go with? Assuming there are options? You will have to check price and current availability (delivery time) from dealers on all of them. But here are my 2-cents. 1) Keith Black. Strongest (IMO), and most expensive. $7,495 (web) 2) Indy Max. Next best of these 3. $7,300 (web) 3) Bill Mitchell Products (BMP). Best bang for the buck $6,195 (web) for less than 1500 hp. Link to BMP web site
Last edited by 440Jim; 10/19/22 09:14 AM. Reason: Added prices from manf web site
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Re: New 440 block
[Re: 440Jim]
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10/18/22 05:10 PM
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Which, if any, needs e$$$tensive machine work (bad threads, leaks, blind galleries)?
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Re: New 440 block
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10/18/22 06:56 PM
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I am old enough to remember when they did not make an aftermarket block. I look at it this way how much HP did Chrysler engineers build the stock block to make? 400hp approximately. So if we take a stock block and make 700hp with it, we are overbuilding the block by a large amount. That will bite you eventually, seen it happen to other people myself included. I have done all the stuff, filled the block, aluminum main caps, 4 bolt main caps, main girdles, all just band aides. Unless you are just building a 500 HP engine buy the after-market block, money well invested. All things being equal, an aftermarket block should make more power if the block isn't moving around.
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Re: New 440 block
[Re: GTXMEX]
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10/18/22 11:11 PM
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Koleno high nickel block first, KB aluminum second and Bull Dog cast grey iron is my latest purchase. High HP + coming soon
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Re: New 440 block
[Re: racerx]
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10/19/22 08:18 AM
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I know that there has been a lot of rumors about Keith Black not having anything to sell but t-shirts, but when I called Tim at FHO they had blocks in stock and I had mine about 2 weeks after I ordered it. Just my 2 cents. * This was about one year ago- just for reference*
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Re: New 440 block
[Re: hudsonhornet7x]
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10/19/22 09:58 AM
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I know that there has been a lot of rumors about Keith Black not having anything to sell but t-shirts, but when I called Tim at FHO they had blocks in stock and I had mine about 2 weeks after I ordered it. Just my 2 cents. Haha, and when you order them they send you the wrong size and act like a-holes when you try to get them to fix it. Oh well, my daughter got a neat looking small t-shirt of the wrong color to wear now.
'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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Re: New 440 block
[Re: GY3]
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10/19/22 10:25 AM
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I know that there has been a lot of rumors about Keith Black not having anything to sell but t-shirts, but when I called Tim at FHO they had blocks in stock and I had mine about 2 weeks after I ordered it. Just my 2 cents. Haha, and when you order them they send you the wrong size and act like a-holes when you try to get them to fix it. Oh well, my daughter got a neat looking small t-shirt of the wrong color to wear now. Dang, This block is the only thing I have ever ordered from them.
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Re: New 440 block
[Re: polyspheric]
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10/19/22 10:51 AM
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Which, if any, needs e$$$tensive machine work (bad threads, leaks, blind galleries)? Yeah, my question is... how much does it really cost to have a "ready to assemble" BMP aluminum block?
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: New 440 block
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10/19/22 11:13 AM
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Which, if any, needs e$$$tensive machine work (bad threads, leaks, blind galleries)? Yeah, my question is... how much does it really cost to have a "ready to assemble" BMP aluminum block? I posted the machine shop work on my BMP block here: 572 B1 org Part 3-Machine Shop ReportMore info on the BMP block are in other "Parts" of my build topic(s). Part 1, Part 2, Part 3, etc.
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Re: New 440 block
[Re: racerx]
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10/24/22 12:20 PM
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.....For this thread? does anyone make an aftermarket short deck block in steel? Besides Indy,i know they make some aluminum short decks....Thanks. Nope, your kinda stuck in a holding pattern....I think the Bulldog was the last one, and I believe they went quietly out of business. Not to mention the quality was not there...There just isn't enough people that want them to cover the costs....And yet $12k-$15k billet blocks go like hot cakes...I would love a Mopar moved centerline block & head setup so we can run some bigger cubes....I don't see that happening anytime in the near future either. And as far as the aluminum ones go, I would love to hear the feedback on the current blocks from this past year or so.......I have had a few, and all with coolant or oiling issues....I just could not believe how thick the deck was, and yet they drilled right thru it on all the head bolts....I saw another where they drilled the trans bolt holes into the water jacket as well! I mean if anything is important in an aluminum block, its keeping the oil & water where it belongs!
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