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Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? #3076367 09/11/22 06:30 PM 09/11/22 06:30 PM
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375inStroke OP Special needs person 3 Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,545 Seattle, WA	Mopar 56029274AA starter, 2005-2008 Ram 2500 5.7L manual trans starter. I've seen people using this with small blocks, and on GenIII Hemi swaps with older transmissions. I'm sure it would work with the Big Block TKX swap I'm working on, but I haven't found anyone who's tried it. Looks like a lot more room for header clearance. I tried the mini starter, and I had to stop smashing the hell out of the header before there was nothing left. The starter is moved out about an inch from the block compared to a 727. You can see how much I had to smash the tube, and it still didn't fit. I've got 3/8" clearance using the stock starter. Here's what it looks like from Mancini Racing's web site. Check out the pics compared to the more commonly used mini starter. https://www.manciniracing.com/61r274.html

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: 375inStroke] #3076418 09/11/22 10:34 PM 09/11/22 10:34 PM
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TJP I Live Here T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,369 Omaha Ne	Originally Posted by 375inStroke Mopar 56029274AA starter, 2005-2008 Ram 2500 5.7L manual trans starter. I've seen people using this with small blocks, and on GenIII Hemi swaps with older transmissions. I'm sure it would work with the Big Block TKX swap I'm working on, but I haven't found anyone who's tried it. Looks like a lot more room for header clearance. I tried the mini starter, and I had to stop smashing the hell out of the header before there was nothing left. The starter is moved out about an inch from the block compared to a 727. You can see how much I had to smash the tube, and it still didn't fit. I've got 3/8" clearance using the stock starter. Here's what it looks like from Mancini Racing's web site. Check out the pics compared to the more commonly used mini starter. https://www.manciniracing.com/61r274.html The MREBU61R274 looks really interesting www.tandmautomotive-omaha.com

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: TJP] #3076428 09/11/22 11:08 PM 09/11/22 11:08 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,212 Someplace you aren't S SomeCarGuy I Live Here
SomeCarGuy I Live Here S Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 10,212 Someplace you aren't	If they work with a small block, why wouldnt it work with a big block? I want my fair share

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: SomeCarGuy] #3076431 09/11/22 11:32 PM 09/11/22 11:32 PM
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BDW master Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,727 Florida	Don’t pay crazy Bouchillon price, you can pick up an aftermarket starter on Amazon for $80 shipped.

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: SomeCarGuy] #3076467 09/12/22 07:04 AM 09/12/22 07:04 AM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,545 Seattle, WA 3 375inStroke OP Special needs person
375inStroke OP Special needs person 3 Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,545 Seattle, WA	Originally Posted by SomeCarGuy If they work with a small block, why wouldnt it work with a big block? If it does, why isn't everyone using it instead of the Denso starter that sticks out more than the original?

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: 375inStroke] #3076499 09/12/22 09:26 AM 09/12/22 09:26 AM
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4406bbl top fuel 4 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,908 Nebraska	Originally Posted by 375inStroke Originally Posted by SomeCarGuy If they work with a small block, why wouldnt it work with a big block? If it does, why isn't everyone using it instead of the Denso starter that sticks out more than the original? Because they do not even know about the hemi starter?

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: 4406bbl] #3076583 09/12/22 01:39 PM 09/12/22 01:39 PM
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moparx "Butt Crack Bob" Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,408 north of coder	why would this starter be used on the hemi only, and not across the board ? i know nothing about the gen 3 hemi.....

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: moparx] #3076609 09/12/22 02:21 PM 09/12/22 02:21 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,545 Seattle, WA 3 375inStroke OP Special needs person
375inStroke OP Special needs person 3 Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,545 Seattle, WA	From what I've found out, the automatics have the starter on the passenger side, and the manuals on the driver's side, so it's only the manual application that works. Some say it won't work with a 904 transmission, but Mancini says theirs will. I don't know if the one Mancini sells is the same starter, but it sure looks like it. Perhaps they modify it. I do know that the top mounting hole is threaded, and needs to be drilled, but that should be it. Now when using it with the GenIII Hemi, the block may need some grinding, which I can't figure out since that what this starter came on. Perhaps the older transmissions locate the starter a little higher than it would be if using the transmission it came with. I don't mind being the guinea pig other than I don't want to chew up my new flywheel. It just gives so much more room for headers.

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: 375inStroke] #3076901 09/13/22 12:22 PM 09/13/22 12:22 PM
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mgoblue9798 super stock M Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,061 Atlanta, GA	Originally Posted by 375inStroke From what I've found out, the automatics have the starter on the passenger side, and the manuals on the driver's side, so it's only the manual application that works. Some say it won't work with a 904 transmission, but Mancini says theirs will. I don't know if the one Mancini sells is the same starter, but it sure looks like it. Perhaps they modify it. I do know that the top mounting hole is threaded, and needs to be drilled, but that should be it. Now when using it with the GenIII Hemi, the block may need some grinding, which I can't figure out since that what this starter came on. Perhaps the older transmissions locate the starter a little higher than it would be if using the transmission it came with. I don't mind being the guinea pig other than I don't want to chew up my new flywheel. It just gives so much more room for headers. Just looking at it the clearance alone, it will be a huge benefit from a heat soak cooking the starter perspective.

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: BDW] #3076935 09/13/22 02:34 PM 09/13/22 02:34 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,408 north of coder moparx "Butt Crack Bob"
moparx "Butt Crack Bob" Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,408 north of coder	Originally Posted by BDW Don’t pay crazy Bouchillon price, you can pick up an aftermarket starter on Amazon for $80 shipped. is that without a core charge ? rock auto has a couple of different rebuilds for $68.00ish, but they have a $40 something core charge.

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: moparx] #3076995 09/13/22 05:02 PM 09/13/22 05:02 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,545 Seattle, WA 3 375inStroke OP Special needs person
375inStroke OP Special needs person 3 Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,545 Seattle, WA	I'll check when I get home, but I'm worried about the solenoid on top of the starter hitting the tab sticking out the block. With the mini starter, you can kind of see how high it is above the upper starter mounting bolt. Here it is above the stock starter. Last edited by 375inStroke; 09/13/22 05:04 PM.

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: 375inStroke] #3077016 09/13/22 06:54 PM 09/13/22 06:54 PM
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BDW master Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,727 Florida	Look on Amazon for: 410-48238 Free shipping, no core, free returns, send it back if it doesn't fit. I'm in the middle of a 5.7 swap and it bolted up, after drilling out the top hole as mentioned, and did need to clearance the block pan rail. But that's a 5.7 thing, haven't started the motor yet.

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: BDW] #3077109 09/14/22 01:00 AM 09/14/22 01:00 AM
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Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	I have a 2007 Ram 1500. The starter is on the drivers side in my truck. It is a 5.7 with the 545RFE automatic.

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: Kern Dog] #3077113 09/14/22 02:34 AM 09/14/22 02:34 AM
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SNK-EYZ I Live Here Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,135 A Red State	Originally Posted by Kern Dog I have a 2007 Ram 1500. The starter is on the drivers side in my truck. It is a 5.7 with the 545RFE automatic. All Ram's in that era had the starter on the drivers side on a 5.7 Hemi, Automatic or manual trans. Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: SNK-EYZ] #3077151 09/14/22 09:18 AM 09/14/22 09:18 AM
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375inStroke OP Special needs person 3 Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,545 Seattle, WA	Originally Posted by SNK-EYZ Originally Posted by Kern Dog I have a 2007 Ram 1500. The starter is on the drivers side in my truck. It is a 5.7 with the 545RFE automatic. All Ram's in that era had the starter on the drivers side on a 5.7 Hemi, Automatic or manual trans. Perhaps the cars did. I have no idea. The starter is definitely different from the automatic.

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: 375inStroke] #3077242 09/14/22 02:35 PM 09/14/22 02:35 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,408 north of coder moparx "Butt Crack Bob"
moparx "Butt Crack Bob" Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,408 north of coder	are those starters gear reduction or high torque direct drive ?

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: moparx] #3077286 09/14/22 06:56 PM 09/14/22 06:56 PM
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BDW master Joined: May 2005 Posts: 4,727 Florida	PMGR: Permanent Magnet Gear Reduction Compactness is important with engine swaps or long-tube headers. The first Chrysler gear reduction starters used offset gears that added width. The advantage of late-model PMGR starters is the planetary gear-reduction system that multiplies torque while being entirely in line with the armature shaft. Planetary gear multiplication (similar to gear reduction in automatic transmissions) produces a major torque increase within a very small envelope.

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: BDW] #3077312 09/14/22 08:36 PM 09/14/22 08:36 PM
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375inStroke OP Special needs person 3 Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,545 Seattle, WA	Looks like it's a no go. I did a CAD (cardboard aided drafting) mockup, and the solenoid hits the block, even if the big lug is removed. From the side, I had to fold down the solenoid to fit. I taped the solenoid on top so you can see how high it sits, and it completely obstructs the lug sticking out the side of the block. It's hitting the side of the block, pushing the template away from the block, so the block itself interferes with this starter. Too good to be true, I guess.

Re: Anyone use GenIII Hemi starter on B/RB motor? [Re: 375inStroke] #3077398 09/15/22 07:10 AM 09/15/22 07:10 AM
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A990 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,731 541 slobovia	Heres a screen grab. I like this idea for my Dakota since the headers really crowd the original starter

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