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Re: 1938 coupe need help #301585 05/01/09 12:22 AM 05/01/09 12:22 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,992 Escondido, CA. Ron Podsiadly,... Mopar Ron master
Mopar Ron master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,992 Escondido, CA. Ron Podsiadly,...	welded drivshaft in the middle, YES that is your vibration some people should learn how to do things right, not just do whatever they think might work good luck on the new engine purchase what are your plans for the frontend and brakes? hope you dont get discouraged with your project, there are some good guys here that will help you through the issues the last owner made for you. just ask and we will try to keep things moving for you Ron....

Re: 1938 coupe need help #301586 05/02/09 08:56 AM 05/02/09 08:56 AM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,880 S.E. South Dakota ! bigdad Still Posting A Lot
bigdad Still Posting A Lot Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 34,880 S.E. South Dakota !	Quote: starting going over the car today since the motor and trans are out. has a 5inch drop axle with parrelle leaf springs. it appears the steering system along with the engine and trans came out of a chevy van... where do people get ideas for taking items from a van to make project. the master cylinder for the brakes also came out of the van. steering colum is sto short and does not connect properly and the steering box it at a very bad angle. looks like the steering system is not set up at all. the location and set up alonly allow the steering to turn to the right and I get 1/4 of the movement to the left. I am going to take some more pictures on Friday. Motor mounts and other items are not mounted properly either. right side mount is welded 1/2 inch lower than left side. Drive shaft is home made and welded in the middle. and way out of round. Found my vibration when driving. going to michigan to look at a drive tran, engine and trans. found on-line not a hemi but getting back to the mopar drive tran. will keep you posted. Drive shaft is home made and welded in the middle. and way out of round The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6

Re: 1938 coupe need help [Re: bigdad] #301587 05/05/09 10:27 PM 05/05/09 10:27 PM
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Re: 1938 coupe need help #301588 05/05/09 10:44 PM 05/05/09 10:44 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	have a questions on set up of the steering system. I would prefer to find a good donor car/truck for the rack and steering colum but was wondering if any one had any advice. I removed the current steering colum from the car and want to start hunting down the other times. I am going to keep the 5 in drop with the disc brake set up that is currently on the car. Also question on the steering colum and the exhaust on the drivers side. what options do I have for the exhaust etc. I am still waiting on the engine so am unable to mock everything up to see what and how much room I have. I konw there wont bee much.

Re: 1938 coupe need help #301589 05/05/09 11:28 PM 05/05/09 11:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,992 Escondido, CA. Ron Podsiadly,... Mopar Ron master
Mopar Ron master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,992 Escondido, CA. Ron Podsiadly,...	I have to admit that I have not done to much with tube axles in about 20 years, all the vehicles I have built have had independent front ends. so most of my knowledge on axles is pretty old, but having the rack mounted to the axle was a big no no. as the axle moves up and down the steering shaft would have to have some kind of movement or things will bind or break. I would look at the way the front springs are mounted to make sure that the axle is not moving around to much. I would go with something like a vega box and go with a cross steer setup like this:

Re: 1938 coupe need help #301590 05/05/09 11:35 PM 05/05/09 11:35 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley RodStRace I Live Here
RodStRace I Live Here Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley	That rack on the axle looks pretty bad to me. I know it's been done, but that install is not pretty. It looks like there is a big plate welded to the axle for the mount. See if that can be repaired or removed and re-engineered. The near shock mount looks like a universal bracket that has been mounted upside down and not even centered on the frame, and is mounted off to the side, rather than right in the middle (double shear). I'd suggest measuring the frame for straightness before pulling any more off. Check where the axle centerline is too.

Re: 1938 coupe need help #301591 05/06/09 11:23 PM 05/06/09 11:23 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,477 Canada CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here
CrAzYMoPaRGuY I Live Here Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 16,477 Canada	That's a heckuva cool lookin coupe project! I would take a long hard look at the front end, unless you want to keep it badly for the LOOK, there are quite a few drawbacks... the rack with the straight front axle I've never seen to be honest. I love the shape of the car. Keep on posting, and welcome to MoParts! CrAzYMoPaRGuY

Re: 1938 coupe need help [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #301592 05/07/09 08:20 PM 05/07/09 08:20 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,355 north of coder moparx "Butt Crack Bob"
moparx "Butt Crack Bob" Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,355 north of coder	a few [?] years ago, i toyed with the idea of using a rack with a straight axle. as has been stated, you must use some kind of "slide" coupling with a rack attached to the axle because as the axle moves over bumps, the column attaching rod must move[shorten/lengthen] or parts will bind/break. "posies" built a rod using such a setup, but i have looked for such a sliding joint and the ones i have seen didn't appear to be strong enough for the intended task. as for the rack attachment to the axle, i could do a much better [stronger and better looking] mount than just welding a flat plate to the axle.

Re: 1938 coupe need help [Re: moparx] #301593 05/07/09 08:47 PM 05/07/09 08:47 PM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 251 Lithonia, Ga 3 36PLYM enthusiast
36PLYM enthusiast 3 Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 251 Lithonia, Ga	I used the original straight axle, disc brake kit from Plydo. Mono leaf springs from Butch's Rod Shop. I also have rack and pinion but is not attached to the axle, the unit is from Unisteer. I had a bracket made to adapt to the Mopar frame. It still drives like a straight axle but I have no problems with the set up. 36 Plymouth Coupe 318 w/360 heads 518 trans 8 3/4 rear Ga. Tech BCE'78

Re: 1938 coupe need help [Re: 36PLYM] #301594 05/07/09 09:02 PM 05/07/09 09:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,992 Escondido, CA. Ron Podsiadly,... Mopar Ron master
Mopar Ron master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,992 Escondido, CA. Ron Podsiadly,...	the unisteer is a nice way to go but not very cheap. Ron.. http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail...mp;autoview=sku

Re: 1938 coupe need help [Re: Mopar Ron] #301595 05/07/09 09:23 PM 05/07/09 09:23 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,355 north of coder moparx "Butt Crack Bob"
moparx "Butt Crack Bob" Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,355 north of coder	ron, just out of curiosity, have you ever seen one of these ? would it be possible to take a common M2 rack & remove the dr. side inner tyerod assembly then fab an extender[for lack of a better word] for the pass. side rod assembly ? of course the whole deal would have to have a custom mount fabbed.

Re: 1938 coupe need help [Re: moparx] #301596 05/07/09 09:28 PM 05/07/09 09:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,992 Escondido, CA. Ron Podsiadly,... Mopar Ron master
Mopar Ron master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,992 Escondido, CA. Ron Podsiadly,...	Quote: ron, just out of curiosity, have you ever seen one of these ? would it be possible to take a common M2 rack & remove the dr. side inner tyerod assembly then fab an extender[for lack of a better word] for the pass. side rod assembly ? of course the whole deal would have to have a custom mount fabbed. no i haven't seen one in person but I had the same thoughts Ron...

Re: 1938 coupe need help [Re: Mopar Ron] #301597 05/07/09 09:58 PM 05/07/09 09:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,538 Freeport IL USA poorboy I Live Here
poorboy I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,538 Freeport IL USA	Thinking out loud here. Why couldn't a guy take a Cavilere rack and mount it to the frame, then run the tie rod (for better lack of the correct term) from the center of the rack to the right side only then set the rest up like a standard cross steer setup? The center mount inner rod connections would make for a longer rod then a MII that comes out the end. A guy could set the rack more to the left side to better match up with the column and a longer right side "tie rod" ran to to reduce the bump steer even more. Wouldn't think it would make a difference to the rack if it only ran a tie rod to one side and nothing to the other side. Now, someone tell me how bad my mind is working tonight so I don't go out and do something stupid. Gene

Re: 1938 coupe need help [Re: poorboy] #301598 05/07/09 10:01 PM 05/07/09 10:01 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,355 north of coder moparx "Butt Crack Bob"
moparx "Butt Crack Bob" Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,355 north of coder	gee.....three guys thinking the same thoughts.... does that mean "great minds think alike" ?

Re: 1938 coupe need help [Re: Mopar Ron] #301599 05/21/09 10:30 PM 05/21/09 10:30 PM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	Does anyone sell full kit that I can purchase to set up the steering? Or do I have to piece each items together? I would like to kep the drop axle in the front I like how it or do I need to go with a mustang II front end etc. does anyone have a set up that they would sell??? let me konw

Re: 1938 coupe need help #301600 05/22/09 08:46 AM 05/22/09 08:46 AM
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fstfish66 top fuel Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,757 levittown pa	flaming river may have every thing you need, just wont be in aa package,,marked for a specific year,, but they may be able to help you or call fat man fab in mint hill n carolna 1966 barracuda prostreeter super charged 340(SOLD) 1940 dodge coupe 241 hemi street rod 2014 ram express hemi 4x4 dailey driver 2015 cherokee 2013 R/T classic

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