Re: What engines fit in my 79' B300
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Tuning the carb and timing might add a bit, but generally trying to eek out a few more MPG on a 1 ton van is a search for minimal gains. For now I think I've done all the tuning I can do, it's just a matter of going on a drive and putting it to the test... I'm just a little hesitant since the last time I drove it was when it broke on me on the freeway... I'm trying to make sure I've done everything I can to prevent another break down... Living where I do it's not like I can get towed home either. I'm about 4 miles off the freeway on a dirt road and tow companies generally don't drive out here!
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Re: What engines fit in my 79' B300
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I had a 79 B200 shorty van with a 318/833OD and 3.55 gears and it got 25mpg hwy all day long here in Colorado. Also a 91 B300 with 360/518 and 3.55 and it got 21mpg. Would love to know how that happens, my 02 gets 14.5 on a good day. I bought a 92 250 extended people van for the 360 518 to put in my LilRed but I might just stick the whole package in the 88 long bed 318 904 if I can get that kind of millage.
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Re: What engines fit in my 79' B300
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I had a 79 B200 shorty van with a 318/833OD and 3.55 gears and it got 25mpg hwy all day long here in Colorado. Also a 91 B300 with 360/518 and 3.55 and it got 21mpg. Would love to know how that happens, my 02 gets 14.5 on a good day. I bought a 92 250 extended people van for the 360 518 to put in my LilRed but I might just stick the whole package in the 88 long bed 318 904 if I can get that kind of millage. Those 20 something mpg numbers were all rolling down hill in Colorado. No word on the uphill mileage.
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Re: What engines fit in my 79' B300
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02/04/22 10:51 PM
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The best gas mileage I've ever gotten out of a Dodge truck, or van was from the V6 mini van years ago (which was nearly always near 20 mpg), and my current truck. Last year my truck went from home here to the west side of St Louis (365 miles each way) The truck got 17.3 mpg on both the trip down, and the trip back up, and 14.6 while there (2 days). The sheet metal is sitting on a 96 Dakota 4x4 chassis with an EFI 318, and the OD auto trans, and 3:55 gears. The mileage on the interstate through Iowa was on the Mopar factory cruise control set at 72 mph. The gas stop on both directions was made at nearly the same mileage, from the same gas station. The truck was filled up 2 blocks from home, and the return trip was filled up 2 miles from the hotel we stayed at. All the gas stops were at the very same gas stations, and the mileage was recorded by the trucks odometer. The cruise speed matched the GPS speed. No bs here.
Pictures of the truck, probably the day before it went on the trip to ST Louis. Its a 49 Dodge pickup on a 96 Dakota 4x4 frame (yes, the 4x4 functions). The frame was unaltered except for the shortening of the wheel base by about 8" and uses all the Dakota mounting brackets, drive train, fuel tank, wiring and computer. Gene
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Re: What engines fit in my 79' B300
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02/05/22 12:10 AM
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The best gas mileage I've ever gotten out of a Dodge truck, or van was from the V6 mini van years ago (which was nearly always near 20 mpg), and my current truck. Last year my truck went from home here to the west side of St Louis (365 miles each way) The truck got 17.3 mpg on both the trip down, and the trip back up, and 14.6 while there (2 days). The sheet metal is sitting on a 96 Dakota 4x4 chassis with an EFI 318, and the OD auto trans, and 3:55 gears. The mileage on the interstate through Iowa was on the Mopar factory cruise control set at 72 mph. The gas stop on both directions was made at nearly the same mileage, from the same gas station. The truck was filled up 2 blocks from home, and the return trip was filled up 2 miles from the hotel we stayed at. All the gas stops were at the very same gas stations, and the mileage was recorded by the trucks odometer. The cruise speed matched the GPS speed. No bs here.
Pictures of the truck, probably the day before it went on the trip to ST Louis. Its a 49 Dodge pickup on a 96 Dakota 4x4 frame (yes, the 4x4 functions). The frame was unaltered except for the shortening of the wheel base by about 8" and uses all the Dakota mounting brackets, drive train, fuel tank, wiring and computer. Gene That is a nice looking truck Gene. I had a 92 Dakota ext cab long bed 5.2 518 3.55 gear that would knock down 20mpg on the interstate. Tonneau cover, electric fan, and taller tires helped up the mileage a bit.
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Re: What engines fit in my 79' B300
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I had a 79 B200 shorty van with a 318/833OD and 3.55 gears and it got 25mpg hwy all day long here in Colorado. Also a 91 B300 with 360/518 and 3.55 and it got 21mpg. Would love to know how that happens, my 02 gets 14.5 on a good day. I bought a 92 250 extended people van for the 360 518 to put in my LilRed but I might just stick the whole package in the 88 long bed 318 904 if I can get that kind of millage. Those 20 something mpg numbers were all rolling down hill in Colorado. No word on the uphill mileage. Last November going to Savanna from Va I got 19.7 from my 06 3500 4x4 diesel @ 70-75 mph down ins 95, my 92 4x4 2500 diesel got a best of 23.5 on ins 81 going to Carlisle and back. Just can’t get the gasser that good.
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Re: What engines fit in my 79' B300
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02/06/22 12:12 AM
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The best gas mileage I've ever gotten out of a Dodge truck, or van was from the V6 mini van years ago (which was nearly always near 20 mpg), and my current truck. Last year my truck went from home here to the west side of St Louis (365 miles each way) The truck got 17.3 mpg on both the trip down, and the trip back up, and 14.6 while there (2 days). The sheet metal is sitting on a 96 Dakota 4x4 chassis with an EFI 318, and the OD auto trans, and 3:55 gears. The mileage on the interstate through Iowa was on the Mopar factory cruise control set at 72 mph. The gas stop on both directions was made at nearly the same mileage, from the same gas station. The truck was filled up 2 blocks from home, and the return trip was filled up 2 miles from the hotel we stayed at. All the gas stops were at the very same gas stations, and the mileage was recorded by the trucks odometer. The cruise speed matched the GPS speed. No bs here.
Pictures of the truck, probably the day before it went on the trip to ST Louis. Its a 49 Dodge pickup on a 96 Dakota 4x4 frame (yes, the 4x4 functions). The frame was unaltered except for the shortening of the wheel base by about 8" and uses all the Dakota mounting brackets, drive train, fuel tank, wiring and computer. Gene That is a nice looking truck Gene. I had a 92 Dakota ext cab long bed 5.2 518 3.55 gear that would knock down 20mpg on the interstate. Tonneau cover, electric fan, and taller tires helped up the mileage a bit. Thanks. Future improvements will be coming next spring. A bed cover is high on the list, it looks like it will need to be custom made. This truck has a pretty aggressive tread pattern 235/75/R15 tires on it, it is used as a 4x4 being driven through the winter. It does haul stuff and is a work truck. Gas mileage was not ever the highest priority with me, I have too heavy of a foot. Honestly, I was pleasantly surprised with the 17 + mpg at 70 mph. In town and winter short trip driving nets a pretty much expected 10 mpg range. Gene
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Re: What engines fit in my 79' B300
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02/06/22 08:23 PM
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The windows provide a better view then my old neck can twist to see! The only blind spots on this truck is what the mirrors block, and they are pretty small and easy to look around. Now, if the seat would go back another 2", or my belly was 2" less around, or I don't have to have that bulky winter coat on, it is a very comfortable truck to drive. Has heat, an awesome defroster, and a functioning outside vent for the hotter weather, might even get AC for the summer.
My wife and I went for a ride today, full sun and upper 30s temps, I was able to drive without my coat on very nice and relaxing! At 55-60 on the cruise, 122 miles used right at 1/2 a tank (according to the gauge), less fuel then the 60 I put on the last tank full that got 9.9 mpg (warm up idle time and around town), but I did not refill, so take that as it is.
I bought the 49 sheet metal and it's original twisted frame, and a Dakota rolling 4x4 frame in 2019. It sat until I started taking apart the donor Dakota in mid July, 2020, and then started on the 49. I plated this truck in June 2022. It has about 4,000 miles on it since its been plated. Body work starts this spring, and it will hopefully be painted by fall. Not going to be a show truck, just a good looking work/driver. It is my winter transportation. I should probably start a thread for my truck rather then messing up this one. Gene
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Re: What engines fit in my 79' B300
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02/07/22 01:11 PM
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Gene, as to getting the seat back a couple of inches. since you have the gas tank in the dakota location, and out of the cab, is there a couple of stiffening ribs on the back of the cab wall you could remove, allowing the seat to touch the back of the cab ? just thinking out loud here, as i am not familiar with those year trucks. or maybe you have already done that, and i either forgot about it, or missed it when you said you did that.
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Re: What engines fit in my 79' B300
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I had a 79 B200 shorty van with a 318/833OD and 3.55 gears and it got 25mpg hwy all day long here in Colorado. Also a 91 B300 with 360/518 and 3.55 and it got 21mpg. Would love to know how that happens, my 02 gets 14.5 on a good day. I bought a 92 250 extended people van for the 360 518 to put in my LilRed but I might just stick the whole package in the 88 long bed 318 904 if I can get that kind of millage. Those 20 something mpg numbers were all rolling down hill in Colorado. No word on the uphill mileage. Remember what goes up must come down. Maybe only get 10 going up but get 30 downing down. Also that is empty with no headwind. I'm lucky to get 19-20 out of my 5.2 Dakotas but they are heavy little pigs.
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Re: What engines fit in my 79' B300
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02/07/22 09:39 PM
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Gene, as to getting the seat back a couple of inches. since you have the gas tank in the dakota location, and out of the cab, is there a couple of stiffening ribs on the back of the cab wall you could remove, allowing the seat to touch the back of the cab ? just thinking out loud here, as i am not familiar with those year trucks. or maybe you have already done that, and i either forgot about it, or missed it when you said you did that. The top of the seats are under the back window supports. I can back the seat bottom up a bit more, but then the seat sits more upright and is a lot less comfortable. With my thick winter coat on, the wheel is very close to the coat, I have to suck it in to get the seat belt between the coat and the wheel. Its more of a fat old man problem. The truck also has a tilt column. If the column was a bit shorter, the issue would be gone, but then I'd have to change a bunch of other stuff. I'll just deal with it the way it is during the winter, without the heavy winter coat, there is not a problem. I would guess this old age thing is making me pretty picky, it wouldn't have bothered me in my younger years. So should I put a build tread in the truck section, or the street rod section?
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Re: What engines fit in my 79' B300
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I agree with those suggesting tuning what you've got. Optimizing timing and both advance curves. What gear is in the rear? What size tires? The basics are trying to reduce the size you're pushing into the wind, in my experience this is mostly helpful at highway cruise speed. Narrower tires with higher air pressure, especially if you've already got some to try. Rig up a front air dam to reduce airflow under the van. Close off as many holes in the grille that aren't needed for engine cooling, same for your cowl louvers. Run smaller outside mirrors, even try folding your pass side mirror, or remove it. Can probably lower the front by cutting coils, not sure if your leaves are under the rear axle, or over. If under, lowering blocks and longer U-bolts will do the job. I'd look into swapping the trans, especially if you've got all the parts needed.. But again, these changes will mainly pay off at higher speeds. A four barrel swap, and a lower rear end gear ratio would also help. Tuning parts for the popular 4V carbs should be easier to find than for your 2V carb. I'm assuming you're running the stock 360 2V camshaft, if so, I wouldn't change it.
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Re: What engines fit in my 79' B300
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Gene, as to getting the seat back a couple of inches. since you have the gas tank in the dakota location, and out of the cab, is there a couple of stiffening ribs on the back of the cab wall you could remove, allowing the seat to touch the back of the cab ? just thinking out loud here, as i am not familiar with those year trucks. or maybe you have already done that, and i either forgot about it, or missed it when you said you did that. The top of the seats are under the back window supports. I can back the seat bottom up a bit more, but then the seat sits more upright and is a lot less comfortable. With my thick winter coat on, the wheel is very close to the coat, I have to suck it in to get the seat belt between the coat and the wheel. Its more of a fat old man problem. The truck also has a tilt column. If the column was a bit shorter, the issue would be gone, but then I'd have to change a bunch of other stuff. I'll just deal with it the way it is during the winter, without the heavy winter coat, there is not a problem. I would guess this old age thing is making me pretty picky, it wouldn't have bothered me in my younger years. So should I put a build tread in the truck section, or the street rod section? I would move the whole column farther down into the firewall. Or flat steering wheel
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Re: What engines fit in my 79' B300
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"So should I put a build tread in the truck section, or the street rod section?" myself would suggest the street rod forum. maybe both if it's allowed ? i see what you mean about moving the rear cushion backward. however if the top of the seat is now touching the brace that runs from the rear window to the floor [that was possibly for the gas tank ?], taking that brace out would allow the seat back to go maybe another inch or so rearward, still allowing the back angle that is comfortable for you. just my thought from far, far, away. it may be entirely different seeing it in person. now back to our originally scheduled program..................
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Re: What engines fit in my 79' B300
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Unless you drive it a lot it will take a lot of gas saving to cover the cost of a motor or trans swap. Use the money to buy a little car and use the van when you need a van. That's pretty much what I've been doing. I have a 2000 S10 truck that's my daily driver... Here's the thing, I live in a rural area on a Ranch, it's basically an off-grid community and the county doesn't come back here. I'm thinking of using the van to start a business and provide some sort of service out here but I'm not sure what... Trash pickup, water delivery, basic home maintenance etc... I'd like to be able to squeeze out as many mpg's out of it to make my business more profitable. I can't make much money if most of my earnings go to fuel costs... For example, it's about 70 miles round trip when I go into town... In general it'd be nice to get more mpg's but not if I'm going to spend more on a swap than I would paying for gas... As mentioned before in one of my other threads, I have a 94' B250 that's basically a parts van at this point. It has a 4speed auto A518 tranny and apparently it'll be possible to swap the tranny and get better mpg's but I just rebuilt the tranny in my B300! Ok, say I optimize the 360 and rebuild the tranny out of the 250. What optimizations can I make to the engine and what mods are necessary to install the tranny from the 250?? Would it really be worth all the work to swap tranny's though? How many more mpg's can I get with the tranny from the 250? I think maybe fixing up the 360 will be the most viable option considering all the comments... For now, I guess I'll just focus on what can be done with the 360 to make it more efficient... Apparently my van has or had the ability to run on propane?? There's a sticker under the hood that mentions the fuel mixture process for propane in that motor... Any thoughts on this? Yeah, you can use the van for any use for starting a business. I really appreciate your idea to start a business and if you are starting then you need to go through the secretary of state texas business entity search to smoothly create your own business in texas. If you creating an LLC use for your business use a van then it will fall under the property a van.
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