How far is too far? .060" over 440?
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Is .060" over "safe" for a 440?
Planned use is for a backup daily driver, and sloppy weather 4x4 driving.
Found a freshly machined, balanced, zero decked, 440 with .060" over pistons short-block for less than I can have my core 440 and rotating assembly machined, balanced, and assembled.
I vaguely recall max bore on the 440 discussions from a few decades ago, on the original Moparts forum. but don't really recall the overall consensus.
This would be finished off with a pair of 452 or 906 heads, whichever are in the better shape and clean up for the best cost.
Cam will most likely be a Hughes Whiplash, or a mild performance cam, nothing huge, just a good driver that sounds nice.
No plans to do any towing.
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Re: How far is too far? .060" over 440?
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Without sonic checking it, you'll never know. Since it isn't a high powered race motor, I wouldn't be scared of .060" over.
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Re: How far is too far? .060" over 440?
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
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Without sonic checking it, you'll never know. Since it isn't a high powered race motor, I wouldn't be scared of .060" over. Same here, just run it. My current 440 block is .060" and wasn't sonic tested until it was way past the point of no return during the last rebuild. The numbers range from "no problem" to "Huh....", so it's a classic example of....it is what it is.
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: How far is too far? .060" over 440?
[Re: Brad_Haak]
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I went . 100 over on a 426 block, raced it for years with a 4.5 stroke crank. It expired, due to breaking the crank. Sonic check, go from there.
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Re: How far is too far? .060" over 440?
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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IIRC, the sonic #s on my 440 + .060" block show at least one thrust surface in that .090"+ range. The backup 440 + .055" isn't as thick as the best walls on the .060" block, but the thinner areas are better. Core shift is a b!tch.
2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320 100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft) weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)
1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008] pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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Re: How far is too far? .060" over 440?
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I like .55 over ........... you can find pistons with out going custom
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Re: How far is too far? .060" over 440?
[Re: INTMD8]
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1/2 inch 50 thousandths seems like an odd figure, might as well go with a nice even 5/8" and be done with it (literally )
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Re: How far is too far? .060" over 440?
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.055 on a 440 is 4-3/8” a lot more ring combos avalible. I have pistons rings rods and crank, been waiting to do a block for awhile
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