Re: Help me detune this motor
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11/30/21 09:11 PM
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I have a 4.5 stoke 55 over 440 = about 540" It has std port cleaned up VICTOR heads 10.5 to compression victor intake manifold (soon have Holley EFI (HOLLEY HP) ) waiting on a few parts to arrive.- 1000 cfm throttle body at big injectors. Full length 2" x 2 1/8" step headers 4 speed dana 60 w/ 4.10s and 31 x 12.5 et streets
CAM IS ALL WRONG- it is 680 lift, and 287 duration @ 50. Solid roller It comes on at 5k and pulls way too hard - for street use.
I want this engine to last for a while, i dont want to throw the rods out the side of the block so i need to make less power at less RPMS it also needs to have better manners on the street.
What would be a good cam choice for this motor that doesnt just crush the HP level? It will see lots of street miles.
Talk to Dwayne porter he sell cams, Fast68plymouth is his handle here, he knows what he is doing
1968 Charger COLD A/C Hilborn EFI 512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim 2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5
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Re: Help me detune this motor
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11/30/21 11:07 PM
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If you're still thinking you might run E85 I would raise the compression.
Where do you want it to make peak power?
For that much displacement I would run a 4500 over a 4150 throttle body.
69 Charger. 438ci Gen2 hemi. Flex fuel. Holley HP efi. 650rwhp @7250 510rwtq @5700
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Re: Help me detune this motor
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11/30/21 11:24 PM
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If you're still thinking you might run E85 I would raise the compression.
Where do you want it to make peak power?
For that much displacement I would run a 4500 over a 4150 throttle body. Thanks, but I am trying to go the other way with power. LOL, i want less power for the street.
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Re: Help me detune this motor
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12/01/21 01:28 AM
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I agree with Cab. Take some duration out of it to move the torque peak down at least a thousand rpm, and the usable power starting at say,,,, 2200? Ultimate horsepower will drop, but it should be a lot more responsive and you may decide to try taller rear gears since it is a street car.
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Re: Help me detune this motor
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12/01/21 09:32 AM
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Retard the cam.. might take a couple of changes Isn't it "advance" the cam for lower RPM power and retard it for higher RPM power? Copper
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Re: Help me detune this motor
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12/01/21 09:59 AM
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Retard the cam.. might take a couple of changes Isn't it "advance" the cam for lower RPM power and retard it for higher RPM power? Copper It will pull power out until high rpm when retarted and if someone wants to do this it would most likely be in a street ride where you dont need high end power but it will still be lower in power... if its advanced it will make power in the lower rpm range
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Re: Help me detune this motor
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12/01/21 11:40 AM
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Thanks, but I am trying to go the other way with power. LOL, i want less power for the street.
so i need to make less power at less RPMS it also needs to have better manners on the street. What would be a good cam choice for this motor that doesnt just crush the HP level? Right, and considering the above, that you want better street manners, lower power peak that doesn't crush the HP level, less cam would move the power range down, more compression would retain some of the lost power from the smaller cam while helping power everywhere. (if you're running good enough fuel). Just changing the cam will get you into the rpm range you want to be (and help driveability) but will drop a considerable amount of hp. Still, I think it's best to start with a goal. (What do you want to target for hp/tq and rpm range)
69 Charger. 438ci Gen2 hemi. Flex fuel. Holley HP efi. 650rwhp @7250 510rwtq @5700
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Re: Help me detune this motor
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12/04/21 12:36 PM
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If you're still thinking you might run E85 I would raise the compression.
Where do you want it to make peak power?
For that much displacement I would run a 4500 over a 4150 throttle body. X2 on all of this. 10.5:1 with aluminum heads and E85 is pretty low. The current cam in your motor with that CR is one of the reasons it turns on like a light switch at 5k. I'd pick a HP goal and work backward from there, possibly raising the CR and definitely swapping the cam. I am thinking if your power curve was more linear you'd be happier with it. If you're going FI, also make sure you incorporate timing control. By pulling timing you could have a more docile street tune and then a race tune for when you want it spicy. Pulling timing on your current motor will just make it even more sluggish under 5k though, so it has to start with changing the cam.
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Re: Help me detune this motor
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12/04/21 04:54 PM
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I’d take 25-30* of duration out of the cam and spread the lobes out a bit.
It will behave like a completely different engine.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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