Re: Spot-weld cutter size?
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auto body tech here. the official recommended spot weld cutter size is 5/16. you have to be exact to completely drill out the weld at this size. a 3/8 is much easier to completely remove the weld. but as you posted it take more effort to fill those welds back up.
the cheap HF cutters work. but don't last very long before they are dull. i have use blair rotobroch cutters for years with good results. $$$ but work.
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Re: Spot-weld cutter size?
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Previous posts have about covered it. With the smaller 5/16" (8mm) you will have to chisel more of them apart (maybe most of them) which will usually distort and tear the metal more. The 3/8" (10mm) results in a larger hole, but is more likely to get enough of the weld cut. I have had the most success with the drill bit style of cutters. The 'toothed' ones frequently break the teeth due to the often irregular weld surface. It is very difficult to hit (and to stay in) the center of every weld. I am currently using Irwin's Turbomax drill bits to drill out spot welds. www.irwin.com/tools/drill-bits/turbomax-high-speed-steel-straight-shank-jobber-length-drill-bits
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Re: Spot-weld cutter size?
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The hard part is getting all the weld cut. Welding a 3/8" hole isn't that much different than 5/16". Did try the Blair cutter, got 11 holes out of both cutters. Picked up a Princess Auto (Harbor Freight) cutter, same drill, same speed, got over 100 cuts form one cutter. Some bits work, some don't. Slow speed and a good pilot hole seem to help. Carbide cutters work OK, but can shatter. With the planets aligned and holding your mouth right, you can do a lot of cutting. If not, well... I had to do some fairly extensive reconstruction on the cab of my '65 Ford flatbed... got the Blair 3/8" set. I was somewhat disappointed in the cutter life also, but it was a fair bit better than 5-6 holes per cutter! Maybe 20-25... but I think my one-speed air drill was a little faster than recommended... As the instructions explicitly state, keep it under 500 rpm and lubricate the cutter. Overspeeding will ruin them quickly due to excessive heat. Interesting that the Harbor Fart set actually lasted that long. My town finally got a store this spring - I may buy a set and check it out I agree that it's not hard to fill a 3/8" hole. Sometimes the 5/16" can actually be more difficult because it's hard to get it started and circling before the hole fills up!
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Re: Spot-weld cutter size?
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I have used a lot of Blair cutters over the years. Get real long life, but plenty of cutting fluid and very low speeds. Speed kills the cutters.
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Re: Spot-weld cutter size?
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same here. i have used the same blair rotobroch cutter for 3 YEARS. i am a autobody tech and have used it on 1000+ spot welds in that time. i first drill a 1/8" pilot hole. then dip the cutter in oil and drill at about 500 rpm in my 40yo 1/2" CP air drill. the key is SOW and use 2 hands on the drill. if the bit grabs it and twist the drill and shatter it in 3 millisecond.
and you can't use it on high strength steel.
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Re: Spot-weld cutter size?
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It is amazing what heat water cooled copper can resist.
From 1990 to 1996 I used a “vacuum melt arc furnace” to make compounds and alloys.
This type of device is kind of a cross between an “air arc”, a vacuum chamber, and a 4” thick pure copper plate with water cooling holes drilled through it.
I could strike a 100 amp electric arc through a tungsten electrode hitting the copper base plate and melt nearly anything. The vacuum prevented oxygen from burning the copper and the water cooling prevented the copper from melting.
I could react pure chemicals together to make alloys, then use the electric arc to “push” the molten blob into various shaped molds in the copper, where it would cool into an ingot that in several shapes: buttons, rods, squares, hemispheres, triangles, etc.
I reacted all the “rare earth metals” with pure carbon to make rare earth carbides, and later I reacted rare earths with the expensive “carbon-13” isotope.
On special request in 1991 I replaced the normal tungsten rod with a carbon rod and created “soot” with the electric arc that we scraped off the copper and dropped into benzene. The benzene turned red, indicating “buckyballs” had been created.
Amazing what water cooled copper can resist.
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Re: Spot-weld cutter size?
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If I will be tossing the outer panel, I just use a belt grinder. Less tedious and doesn't leave a pilot hole in the other panel. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=dynabrade%20belt%20sander%2018100&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-34002-13078-0&mkcid=2&keyword=dynabrade%20belt%20sander%2018100&crlp=_5087&MT_ID=&geo_id=&rlsatarget=kwd-76965991551231:loc-190&adpos=&device=c&mktype=&loc=85042&poi=&abcId=&cmpgn=395412448&sitelnk=&adgroupid=1231453229708374&network=o&matchtype=e&msclkid=3f5a3216c7bb13e5b795538af6dc0c83 belt grinders are the best if you are scrapping the panel. WAY faster than drilling out spot welds. they are really great when sanding down the weld nugget. i like them better than using a grinding disc to do that. they really shine when you have to remove a ultra high strength steel panel. regular cobalt bits won't even put a tiny divot before going dull. they do make special bits for this. they are $$$$ though. sanding belts are cheaper.
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Re: Spot-weld cutter size?
[Re: moparx]
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11/23/21 08:01 PM
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HF sells mini belt sanders also. electric one.... HF electric belt sanderi thought they also had a air powered one also. i can't find with a quick website search.
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