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Re: What parts to build a 600hp 727? [Re: 451Mopar] #2968117
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Originally Posted by 451Mopar
One issue if it is a 1967 model. This could have an early course 19-spline input shaft, or the later fine 24-spline? (I think it is 24?) input shaft.
The pump stator supports are different too for the different input shafts, and all the pre-1971 transmissions used a different front drum with a narrow bushing.
I think all the aftermarket drums are the '71 and up wide bushing version. I don't know of an aftermarket drum for the earlier version with the narrow bushing, but I haven't looked for one either in the last 10 years.

What I am getting at is it might be easier and cheaper to start with a '71 up transmission.

The stock transmission with a good rebuild and TF-2 shift kit can withstand around 600 HP in a light car, or one that dosen't hook hard.
Above that the aluminum front planetary gear might fail from the shaft splines breaking in the aluminum gear body.

For safety, it is common to install a billet front drum (which usually allows 5 front clutches too), and a bolt in "Super Sprag" that has more rollers than the stock sprag.

The TF-2 kit will have you modify the rear band servo, has a new front band strut. I don't recall if the accumalator is blocked or uses a different spring (different shift kits / years have used both?)
I don't use the forward restrictor plug that comes in the shift kit.

The Alto red clutches and kolene steels are commonly used, but about twice the cost of Raybestos high-energy clutches which are also good.


1967 Model Year got the regular fine spline, 1966 and earlier was the course spline.

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Originally Posted by Transman

1967 Model Year got the regular fine spline, 1966 and earlier was the course spline.

Yup.

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I wouldn’t run a 727 on the track without a billet front drum…. You do what you want smile

Btw my 90% stock 904 is at 72 passes and still alive! Low 9’s laugh2

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Originally Posted by Transman

1967 Model Year got the regular fine spline, 1966 and earlier was the course spline.


I owned a 1967 Coronet that was all original. It had the 1966 style input shaft much to my surprise. As I mentioned, '67 was a switch over year, so it could be either version.

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Originally Posted by 451Mopar
Originally Posted by Transman

1967 Model Year got the regular fine spline, 1966 and earlier was the course spline.


I owned a 1967 Coronet that was all original. It had the 1966 style input shaft much to my surprise. As I mentioned, '67 was a switch over year, so it could be either version.
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Originally Posted by 451Mopar
Originally Posted by Transman

1967 Model Year got the regular fine spline, 1966 and earlier was the course spline.


I owned a 1967 Coronet that was all original. It had the 1966 style input shaft much to my surprise. As I mentioned, '67 was a switch over year, so it could be either version.


I doubt it was built that way on the line.

All the part numbers for the converters and transmissions changed for 1967.

Fact. The vehicle assembly plants work off of part numbers.
Fact. The start of a new model year has the plants purging previous model year assemblies from inventory.

In order for you to have a 1967 with a 1966 trans AND converter would mean they didn’t purge inventory of transmissions AND engines.
In 1967 converters were shipped on the back of the engine.

And trust me, if the converter doesn’t engage the trans both go back to the manufacturing plants with demerits.

Only reasonable explanation is the car went to heavy in-plant repair and someone stuck a leftover 1966 trans and converter in it, but it didn’t go down the line like that.

Re: What parts to build a 600hp 727? [Re: dvw] #2970128
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Originally Posted by dvw
Stock Rabestoes clutches,and bands. 4plates in the high drum. Turbo action manual V.B. ,3.8-4.2 lever. 3 pinion stock planets. These parts have gone 10.0-11.0 in my cars for thousands of passes w/o any failure.
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On the three pinion planet, I agree Doug. The only failures I had was from Dana center that slipped on the tubes. How it ran for several runs With about 30 degrees of pinion angle I will never know. This last rebuild I did upgrade everything but shafts.


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