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Questions about pinion snubbers #29573 09/15/06 07:58 PM 09/15/06 07:58 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,516 Santa Cruz, California L Lefty OP master
Lefty OP master L Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,516 Santa Cruz, California	Can someone explain how pinion snubbers work on a Mopar? And why do they need to be adjustible? I find in the descriptions - "Helps control wheel hop and axle twist" Thanks Moparts!

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Lefty] #29574 09/15/06 08:02 PM 09/15/06 08:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 70,126 Here DirectSubjection Tacohead. The First and Only
DirectSubjection Tacohead. The First and Only Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 70,126 Here	As the housing twists, the snubber contacts the floor of the car and prevents more wrapup. Adjustable allows you to dial in the distance you want between it and the floor to provide optimum results without constantly bottoming out. Last edited by DirectSubjection; 09/15/06 08:09 PM. Ride eternal, shiny and chrome

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: DirectSubjection] #29575 09/15/06 08:33 PM 09/15/06 08:33 PM
A Anonymous Unregistered
Anonymous Unregistered A	BUT with proper springs ... there will be no wrap-up ...and the pinion angle should not move anymore that 3-5 degrees at the most. As many chassis builders have said ... a PS is just a band-aid for INeffective rear springs.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29576 09/15/06 08:45 PM 09/15/06 08:45 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,863 Colorado Leadfoot master
Leadfoot master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,863 Colorado	Quote: As many chassis builders have said ... a PS is just a band-aid for INeffective rear springs Must be Chevy chassis builders. A mopar rear spring at it's worst will outperform a good brand X spring. There are some out there who can and do twist axle housings. (Not me of course.) A snubber will prevent this.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Leadfoot] #29577 09/15/06 08:50 PM 09/15/06 08:50 PM
A Anonymous Unregistered
Anonymous Unregistered A	TELL us all then .... how many "national event quality" NHRA/IHRA Mopar class cars that use regular or SS springs .... also use a PS ?

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29578 09/15/06 09:05 PM 09/15/06 09:05 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,863 Colorado Leadfoot master
Leadfoot master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,863 Colorado	Quote: TELL us all then .... how many "national event quality" NHRA/IHRA Mopar class cars that use regular or SS springs .... also use a PS ? 1433 give or take at last count.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Leadfoot] #29579 09/15/06 09:10 PM 09/15/06 09:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,043 State of Confusion hp383 Just a normal tag again
hp383 Just a normal tag again Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,043 State of Confusion	A pinion snubber works much like a traction bar. as the spring wraps, the snubber contacts the floor to stop the motion. This has me confused because so many people rag on guys who have traction bars on a Mopar. It does the same thing, only it has one contact point. I would rather use a traction bar system that uses two points of contact, that are closer to the wheels. It makes more sense to me to have two contact points as close to the wheels as possible (since the two tires may be on varied surfaces causing different wrap up on each spring) than to have one central contact point.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Leadfoot] #29580 09/15/06 09:12 PM 09/15/06 09:12 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Quote: TELL us all then .... how many "national event quality" NHRA/IHRA Mopar class cars that use regular or SS springs .... also use a PS ? 1433 give or take at last count. Care to name the TOP five on your "list" ? Are you aware that the Chrysler race program some time ago actually almost dictated that you run one ?

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: hp383] #29581 09/15/06 09:14 PM 09/15/06 09:14 PM
A Anonymous Unregistered
Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: A pinion snubber works much like a traction bar. as the spring wraps, the snubber contacts the floor to stop the motion. But the "correct" spring will not do this.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: hp383] #29582 09/15/06 09:16 PM 09/15/06 09:16 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,863 Colorado Leadfoot master
Leadfoot master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,863 Colorado	Most guys that have traction bars on a Mopar have the wrong ones on there. They stick past the front hanger by about 6-8 inches. Southside Machine has a nice set that fit. I don't think they slap but instead they clamp to the front of the spring instead. It's been a few years since I've seen a set so I can't remember exactly.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29583 09/15/06 09:18 PM 09/15/06 09:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,968 Hampton, Ga. 7 70dart360 Green Meister
70dart360 Green Meister 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,968 Hampton, Ga.	Namvet, Thats a bunch of crap. if thats the case why do they use ladder bars or traction bars. Whoever told ya that obviously dosent have the torque to flex a spring. Tim 70 Dart Swinger 72 D-100 440 shortbed 76 Pinto, 68k 21mpg!

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: 70dart360] #29584 09/15/06 09:23 PM 09/15/06 09:23 PM
A Anonymous Unregistered
Anonymous Unregistered A	Crap ? ... then give me your list of which well-known Mopar class racers that DO use a T-bar on a race-car with a leaf spring rear suspension. And a ladder-bar suspension has NOTHING to do with this conversation.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29585 09/15/06 09:26 PM 09/15/06 09:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,043 State of Confusion hp383 Just a normal tag again
hp383 Just a normal tag again Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,043 State of Confusion	I dont know, isnt a ladder bar just a fancy traction bar? You can use them on leaf spring cars, and they stop axle wrap, and create a lift point on the chassis of the car...

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Lefty] #29586 09/15/06 09:35 PM 09/15/06 09:35 PM
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa B buildanother I Live Here
buildanother I Live Here B Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,543 chicagoland,usa	The leaf springs will last longer with the help of an adjustable snubber especially if you have slicks, power and a little traction to start with. When adjusted correctly they help plant the tires when you hammer it. The first mopar I raced alot had HD springs and no snubber, ran mid 12's and developed a nice air gap between all of the leaves just outside of the U-bolt-clamped area. Now I use the snubber.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: hp383] #29587 09/15/06 09:39 PM 09/15/06 09:39 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: I dont know, isnt a ladder bar just a fancy traction bar? You can use them on leaf spring cars, and they stop axle wrap, and create a lift point on the chassis of the car... Sorry ... no .... a ladder bar suspension is a separate and distinct animal. A LB suspension should totally eliminate any up and down pinion movement.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29588 09/15/06 09:40 PM 09/15/06 09:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,968 Hampton, Ga. 7 70dart360 Green Meister
70dart360 Green Meister 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,968 Hampton, Ga.	A snubber just stops the point of flex at the center, traction bars put it on the springs. All the traction bars do is slap the springs,I'd much rather push on the body rather than the springs! Way more effective. whats the difference except the price. You must be a Chevy guy. Tim 70 Dart Swinger 72 D-100 440 shortbed 76 Pinto, 68k 21mpg!

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: 70dart360] #29589 09/15/06 09:44 PM 09/15/06 09:44 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Chevy guy ? .... I have never owned anything but a Chrysler product. I even have a Chrysler powered drag-boat. You like a PS ? ...good for you. Care to answer my Q posed before ...about Chrysler almost dictating the usage of a PS ?

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29590 09/15/06 09:55 PM 09/15/06 09:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,968 Hampton, Ga. 7 70dart360 Green Meister
70dart360 Green Meister 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,968 Hampton, Ga.	Never said Chrysler dictated the use of one, in my opinion they work. I know of a few 9 sec. cars that use them and SS springs and would hook on a dirt road. No need for that silly stuff hanging all out for all to see. Tim 70 Dart Swinger 72 D-100 440 shortbed 76 Pinto, 68k 21mpg!

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29591 09/15/06 09:57 PM 09/15/06 09:57 PM
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,800 South Lyon MI S sleddinfool top fuel
sleddinfool top fuel S Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,800 South Lyon MI	wow, I don't know what to say about this. When i bought my car a buddy of mine who has raced mopars for years said make sure you have an adjustable pinion snubber. (it does). When I bought it, it had new ss springs. Now about 4 years and 4,000 miles later the snubber which was about 3/4" from the floor is now resting on the floor. Were my springs junk? Of course when I drive it, I have my foot into it about 90% of the time. Kevin 71 gtx.....

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: 70dart360] #29592 09/15/06 09:59 PM 09/15/06 09:59 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,863 Colorado Leadfoot master
Leadfoot master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,863 Colorado	A wheelie bar will do the same thing which is one of the reasons for not using a PS Dick Landy used snubbers BTW. He's the one I made reference to when it comes to twisting axle housings.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: 70dart360] #29593 09/15/06 10:06 PM 09/15/06 10:06 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	But at one time Chrysler highly suggested using a PS ! Do you know why they did that ? And with good SS springs a PS is not needed. There will be 3 to 5 degrees movement - at the most. So you SET the pinion angle 3 to 5 down ...and you are good-to-go. May I ask .... what was the rod side clearance on the last motor you built ?

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29594 09/15/06 10:32 PM 09/15/06 10:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,968 Hampton, Ga. 7 70dart360 Green Meister
70dart360 Green Meister 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,968 Hampton, Ga.	I'm building a 410 stroker as we speak. I build lots of "engines" not motors if ya must know. The rod clearance is right at .015, they are steel H-beams, aluminum rods need bout .020 for the expansion difference. Tim 70 Dart Swinger 72 D-100 440 shortbed 76 Pinto, 68k 21mpg!

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29595 09/15/06 10:33 PM 09/15/06 10:33 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 10,938 Spokane Valley, WA Big Bad Bee I Live Here
Big Bad Bee I Live Here Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 10,938 Spokane Valley, WA	Isn't it called rear axle wind-up? I thought the idea behind using the pinion snubber was that it attaches to the nose of the third member creating a positive stop of torquing at a more precise position. BTW I have NEVER experienced rear axle hop in a mopar. That's GM voodoo. I’m listening.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Big Bad Bee] #29596 09/15/06 10:36 PM 09/15/06 10:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,968 Hampton, Ga. 7 70dart360 Green Meister
70dart360 Green Meister 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,968 Hampton, Ga.	Quote: That's GM voodoo. Like I said earlier, sound like he's been taking advice from Chevy guys. Tim 70 Dart Swinger 72 D-100 440 shortbed 76 Pinto, 68k 21mpg!

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29597 09/15/06 10:37 PM 09/15/06 10:37 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,208 Macomb, MI Giggy master
Giggy master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,208 Macomb, MI	Easy does it. Just yesterday I was amazed we were actually having a conversation about cars and now we are still talking about cars but it's getting a little dicey man! relax and some more....it that doesn't work, take 2 of these and come on back! Easy now

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: 70dart360] #29598 09/15/06 10:40 PM 09/15/06 10:40 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Quote: That's GM voodoo. Like I said earlier, sound like he's been taking advice from Chevy guys. Tim Tim ...... I will just say this .... I was out at Milan Dragway when they were testing the Motown Missle and the Mopar Missle, alot of the factory-sponsored SS cars .... and the White-Whale test car.... AKA .... the same time you were probably still in diapers. AND ........ 15 sounds good on steel rods ... but alum rods need lots more than 20.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29599 09/15/06 10:46 PM 09/15/06 10:46 PM
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70dart360 Green Meister 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,968 Hampton, Ga.	I aint tryin to start no stink, I just know the snubbers work and they look better than traction bars or whatever and ya cant see them. They are kinda sneaky to me. Tim 70 Dart Swinger 72 D-100 440 shortbed 76 Pinto, 68k 21mpg!

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29600 09/15/06 10:47 PM 09/15/06 10:47 PM
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Mopar-Al master Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 6,780 Alabama	Quote: Quote: Quote: That's GM voodoo. Like I said earlier, sound like he's been taking advice from Chevy guys. Tim Tim ...... I will just say this .... I was out at Milan Dragway when they were testing the Motown Missle and the Mopar Missle and alot of the factory-sponsored cars .... AKA .... the same time you were probably still in diapers. AND ........ 15 sounds good on steel rods ... but alum rods need lots more than 20. Wow braggin rights over PS's !!! Back in 74 we used to weld extentions on our pinion snubbers and mount another plate to help with lift. but................ it really doesn't matter much.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29601 09/15/06 10:49 PM 09/15/06 10:49 PM
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IronWolf pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,359 Buzzard County, FL	Quote: BUT with proper springs ... there will be no wrap-up ...and the pinion angle should not move anymore that 3-5 degrees at the most. As many chassis builders have said ... a PS is just a band-aid for INeffective rear springs. Yep - pinion snubbers are just a waste of time and effort and money, and pure garbage/crutch. Ask some of the race guys.. Buy good springs and install them and you will eliminate wheel hop. DAMHIK.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Mopar-Al] #29602 09/15/06 10:53 PM 09/15/06 10:53 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Wow braggin rights over PS's !!! NOPE ... he can have ALL the ones out there ! And IF they "work" for him .... GOOD for him.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: IronWolf] #29603 09/15/06 10:59 PM 09/15/06 10:59 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Yep - pinion snubbers are just a waste of time and effort and money, and pure garbage/crutch. Ask some of the race guys.. Buy good springs and install them and you will eliminate wheel hop. DAMHIK. Welcome ... to another defender of the "truth" .. ! I should add .... Some time ago - I saw a car with bad springs and a snubber BLOW the driveshaft OUT from under the vehicle ....during a 60 foot shot -- You could HEAR the snubber banging-on-the-floor and then the DS was just SPIT out.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29604 09/15/06 11:18 PM 09/15/06 11:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,968 Hampton, Ga. 7 70dart360 Green Meister
70dart360 Green Meister 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,968 Hampton, Ga.	I totally agree some folks use them as a crutch, but I have installed new springs in quite a few cars and ran them, then added snubbers. Got a way better 60 foot time with them. What ever works I guess. Tim 70 Dart Swinger 72 D-100 440 shortbed 76 Pinto, 68k 21mpg!

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: 70dart360] #29605 09/16/06 01:45 AM 09/16/06 01:45 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	Here is my take on the Pinion Snubber. I have been into muscle cars and drag racing since the late 60's and I remember most of the Mopar performance bulletins in the late 60's and 70's would tell us to use the pinion snubber and most local bracket racers did use them back then. I always figured that the experts thought with the rear end twist they figured that the pinion snubber would rest it on the car body when it contacted the underbody and the car weight would help plant the tires. I guess most Mopar racers just figured it worked because the experts told us it did. Maybe it does work on some cars and maybe it don't work on others. It depends on the suspension setup and of course worn out springs will most likely make a snubber help. Now it's 2006 and even the local bracket racer seems to run caltracks nowadays and the technology has suspension's working good so most feel you don't need the pinion snubber anymore. Now this is just the way it has looked to me over the years. I can't blame a racer for using a pinion snubber because years ago Mopar said it was one of the best things to help your Mopar hook up. Did it work ??? It depends on who you ask. I ran one for years back in the 70's on my 66 Dart with a 4-speed and worn out springs with air shocks. It had a mild 340 in it and it ran a best of 11.90's @ 112 back in 1981. So I guess it hooked ok for 9" slicks and air shocks. I really don't know if it helped that much or not but I do know we have the 002 and 003 SS springs on my boys Dart street car. And I know it's best 60 ft is a 1.61 without the pinion snubber on it. We had it on the car a year ago and it made no difference. So to answer the question of does a pinion snubber work ???? All I can say is try it and see how it does on your car. Some say it works and some say it don't help at all. It can't hurt to try it and find out for yourself. Ron

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: 383man] #29606 09/16/06 06:09 AM 09/16/06 06:09 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	I hate to tell some of you non snubber guys that any leaf spring will wrap if you apply enough power and have enough traction. so the buy a new set holds no water. so will it help(not solve the problem) sure it will. if you want to eliminate the problem step up to a ladder or 4 link

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: 383man] #29607 09/16/06 06:10 AM 09/16/06 06:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,122 Auburn WA Dave_J master
Dave_J master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,122 Auburn WA	We were posting about this same topic the other night and Namvet keeps asking others to quote thier sorses, but can he post all his? Can he post WHY Chrysler put them on the cars when Ford and GM did not? He starts posting hostal right off the bat. Sounds like HES the one that needs to chill out. Post proof or please dont post. I dont want to start a fight, but lighten up. DaveJ Retired, US ARMY 1973-1994 ASE mechanic, Electrical 1994-1997 Retired GTE/VERIZON/FRONTIER 1997-2015 Posting cheap tech help (CRAP) here since Nov 97, 1000's of posts, some may be good. 03 Suzuki Burgman 650(Burger King) Scooter 65 Formula S Cuda 78 Little Red Express Truck 98 Buick Regal (wifes car)

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Dave_J] #29608 09/16/06 06:21 AM 09/16/06 06:21 AM
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Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	every body has a right to post and express there opinion. problem is we don't know how to act when someone else has a different oppinion. mopar put them on because the front spring segment is shorter compared to ford and gm. they do work, are thay a bandaid? Yes

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Quicktree] #29609 09/16/06 09:17 AM 09/16/06 09:17 AM
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plymouthfan top fuel Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,630 Burma Shave	Hey, even my Slant six Scamp came out of the factory with a pinion snubber bolted onto it's 7 1/4 rear, so I guess Chrysler believed they served a valid purpose. Although I seriously doubt that snubber has ever touched the floor of my car Wheel hop has never been an issue with a slant six... One red car, one yellow car.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Quicktree] #29610 09/16/06 12:17 PM 09/16/06 12:17 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,863 Colorado Leadfoot master
Leadfoot master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,863 Colorado	Quote: every body has a right to post and express there opinion. problem is we don't know how to act when someone else has a different oppinion. Aint that the truth! Somebody coming back with a different opinion is often taken as a personal slap in the face. It's not. BTW, you spelled opinion wrong the second time.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Leadfoot] #29611 09/16/06 02:41 PM 09/16/06 02:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	Quote: Quote: every body has a right to post and express there opinion. problem is we don't know how to act when someone else has a different oppinion. Aint that the truth! Somebody coming back with a different opinion is often taken as a personal slap in the face. It's not. BTW, you spelled opinion wrong the second time. whats your point? it was dark I was half a sleep and I can't spell. would you like the grammar fixing job

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Quicktree] #29612 09/16/06 02:57 PM 09/16/06 02:57 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,863 Colorado Leadfoot master
Leadfoot master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,863 Colorado	Quote: would you like the grammar fixing job Are you kidding? I can't spell or structure sentences either! But it's always fun to point out others errors.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Dave_J] #29613 09/16/06 03:15 PM 09/16/06 03:15 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: We were posting about this same topic the other night and Namvet keeps asking others to quote thier sorses, but can he post all his? Can he post WHY Chrysler put them on the cars when Ford and GM did not? He starts posting hostal right off the bat. Sounds like HES the one that needs to chill out. Post proof or please dont post. I dont want to start a fight, but lighten up. DaveJ I keep asking for "sorses" ? .... what ???? .... when did I do that? And I did post the reason why Chrysler put these on the OEM cars. Go back to the topic and read. Hostal ? .... You sir have very thin-skin. Post PROOF ? ..... of what ? LOOK ....you Pro PS guys. Determine who the TOP five Mopar guys in Stock and SS eliminator(in the country) that run a leaf spring rear suspension.... and if the majority of these guys uses a pinion snubber..... I will eat-CROW ! Oh-Tay ? Start-a-fight ? ..... I ask you to OPEN your eyes Sir and READ ..... I said ..."If it works for you -- GOOD for you".

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Leadfoot] #29614 09/16/06 03:16 PM 09/16/06 03:16 PM
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Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	I can spell opinion though. with out my reading glasses I can't see crap. and my typing is ok at best. plus I forget to type what I am thinking sometimes

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29615 09/16/06 03:25 PM 09/16/06 03:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,336 central New Jersey D dbdartman master
dbdartman master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,336 central New Jersey	Doc, take a chill-pill.... or....

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: dbdartman] #29616 09/16/06 03:44 PM 09/16/06 03:44 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Hi DB ..... Doc ? .. ?? ... .... Why doesn't the Top-Mod here give his on the infamous PS ?

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29617 09/16/06 03:50 PM 09/16/06 03:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,336 central New Jersey D dbdartman master
dbdartman master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,336 central New Jersey	Quote: Why doesn't the Top-Mod here give his on the infamous PS ? Maybe I don't have one?

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: dbdartman] #29618 09/16/06 03:59 PM 09/16/06 03:59 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Welll ....neither do I ..... I "lost" mine in 70's ! It seems to have "disappeared" after I bought a set of budget SS spring back in the early 70's. The last time I ran my 62(2003) ...... it went 12 teens with a 2.76 gear with a 7" DOT tire....thru the muffs with iron manifolds. Saying "NO to a PS" seems to be wurkin' furrr me !

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: dbdartman] #29619 09/16/06 04:00 PM 09/16/06 04:00 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 16,844 Phoenix - surface of the sun nomore65BelvJim I Live Here
nomore65BelvJim I Live Here Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 16,844 Phoenix - surface of the sun	Quote: Quote: Why doesn't the Top-Mod here give his on the infamous PS ? Maybe I don't have one? one what, opinion or snubber?

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29620 09/16/06 04:10 PM 09/16/06 04:10 PM
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Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	Quote: Welll ....neither do I ..... I "lost" mine in 70's ! It seems to have "disappeared" after I bought a set of budget SS spring back in the early 70's. The last time I ran my 62(2003) ...... it went 12 teens with a 2.76 gear with a 7" DOT tire....thru the muffs with iron manifolds. Say NO to a PS seems to be wurkin' furrr me ! but you don't have enough power or traction to wrap the springs just kidding

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Quicktree] #29621 09/16/06 04:20 PM 09/16/06 04:20 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: but you don't have enough power or traction to wrap the springs just kidding Not 'nuff power ? ... yes it is a little lacking. The mph is about 10 mph LESS than it should be. With a good sealing shortblock ...and a decent set of heads - the car should run maybe 11.70's or so. ..... and maybe get better mileage than the 17 mpg it is getting now ! Traction ? .... a 1.69 60 foot(best) is not that bad. And those 7" Hoosier Super Dirt Stocker WERK like a ! Last edited by dbdartman; 09/16/06 04:22 PM.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: nomore65BelvJim] #29622 09/16/06 04:20 PM 09/16/06 04:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,336 central New Jersey D dbdartman master
dbdartman master D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,336 central New Jersey	Quote: one what, opinion or snubber? Both. Our cars are built to corner, not launch, although we'll be experimenting with mono-leafs & Cal-tracks next year.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: dbdartman] #29623 09/16/06 05:03 PM 09/16/06 05:03 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Hmmmm.... but how would a PS at all hinder or restrict cornering abilities ? .... with or with-out a rear sway bar. And how about adding an "L" into that title ? ..

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29624 09/16/06 08:29 PM 09/16/06 08:29 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I took my pinion snubber off and clamped my springs. I went from 1.60 60ft to 1.43 60ft. this is with ss springs. Results do not lie.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29625 09/16/06 09:15 PM 09/16/06 09:15 PM
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Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	Quote: I took my pinion snubber off and clamped my springs. I went from 1.60 60ft to 1.43 60ft. this is with ss springs. Results do not lie. just like anything else a misadjusted part can cause problems. it was probably set to close unloading the tires. or to far away doing nothing.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Quicktree] #29626 09/16/06 09:20 PM 09/16/06 09:20 PM
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 16,844 Phoenix - surface of the sun nomore65BelvJim I Live Here
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Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: nomore65BelvJim] #29627 09/17/06 09:33 AM 09/17/06 09:33 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I took my pinion snubber off and clamped my springs. I went from 1.60 60ft to 1.43 60ft. this is with ss springs. Results do not lie. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- just like anything else a misadjusted part can cause problems. it was probably set to close unloading the tires. or to far away doing nothing. Thats one of the problems that I have seen with them. In one spot its to close and yes it unloads the tires, move it down one hole and it does nothing. Clamping the springs is what made the difference with my car.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29628 09/17/06 11:20 AM 09/17/06 11:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	the hole deal is to get 0 pinion angle under load. it takes trial and error to achive that. if you don't take the time to get it right it doesn't work. even if you have to alter the holes to get the right adjustment.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Quicktree] #29629 09/17/06 01:07 PM 09/17/06 01:07 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	So what I have done is wrong? Your saying that clamping the springs does not constitute trial and error, and that I did not try to make the p/s work? You are assuming a lot. Is a p/s the only way to make a ss spring car hook? Or maybe I am just not making enough power for a p/s to work correctly. There is more than one way to do things. A p/s is not always the answer. Last time out at speedworld was back in June the high temp that day was 118 the car went [Email]10.64@126[/Email] 1.43 60ft. Last edited by davo; 09/17/06 01:08 PM.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29630 09/17/06 01:38 PM 09/17/06 01:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	Quote: So what I have done is wrong? Your saying that clamping the springs does not constitute trial and error, and that I did not try to make the p/s work? You are assuming a lot. Is a p/s the only way to make a ss spring car hook? Or maybe I am just not making enough power for a p/s to work correctly. There is more than one way to do things. A p/s is not always the answer. Last time out at speedworld was back in June the high temp that day was 118 the car went [Email]10.64@126[/Email] 1.43 60ft. I am not assuming nothing and what I said is not directed to you just a general statement. clamping the front segment is a good thing. most of the snubber nay sayers never took the time to get then working. either that or they don't have the proper pinion angle to begin with. just curious what is your pinion angle?

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Quicktree] #29631 09/17/06 02:20 PM 09/17/06 02:20 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: am not assuming nothing and what I said is not directed to you just a general statement. clamping the front segment is a good thing. most of the snubber nay sayers never took the time to get then working. either that or they don't have the proper pinion angle to begin with. just curious what is your pinion angle Directed at me or not you did quote me. Either way I did not take it personal. I cannot speak about what others may or may not have taken the time to do. I do know that there is a lot of fast cars on this board so some of the nay sayers must be doing somthing right. Pinion angle is set at 5 down

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29632 09/17/06 02:29 PM 09/17/06 02:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	and like you said theres more than one way to skin a cat. and for someone to make a broad statement like pinion snubbers don't work is totally untrue. because they don't work for one person doesn't mean they wont work for someone else.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Quicktree] #29633 09/17/06 02:42 PM 09/17/06 02:42 PM
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Leadfoot master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 7,863 Colorado	Wouldn't it be fair to say that if you have wheel hop and put on a pair of SS springs it will go away. However if you decide to go for a skinnier tire it may come right back? Also I am not interested in sticking my head under the car during a launch to determine my pinion angle either. If it was off I would have to experiment with shims anyway. I let the snubber stop it when the driveshaft and yoke are aligned. By far the easiest way.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Leadfoot] #29634 09/17/06 02:45 PM 09/17/06 02:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	I have seen cars with SS springs still have wheel hop.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29635 09/17/06 02:46 PM 09/17/06 02:46 PM
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446acuda master 4 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,734 Charlotte, NC	Quote: Welll ....neither do I ..... I "lost" mine in 70's ! It seems to have "disappeared" after I bought a set of budget SS spring back in the early 70's. The last time I ran my 62(2003) ...... it went 12 teens with a 2.76 gear with a 7" DOT tire....thru the muffs with iron manifolds. Saying "NO to a PS" seems to be wurkin' furrr me ! Namvet-did you used to go by the username: Dr/MrFiberglass on this board years ago?? I think he had a '62 that he said went 12's with 2.76 too.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: 446acuda] #29636 09/17/06 02:54 PM 09/17/06 02:54 PM
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70dart360 Green Meister 7 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,968 Hampton, Ga.	Yep, Doc Fiberglass was permantly banned years ago I though. Kinda for the same reasons as his post in this topic. .. 70 Dart Swinger 72 D-100 440 shortbed 76 Pinto, 68k 21mpg!

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Lefty] #29637 09/18/06 12:53 PM 09/18/06 12:53 PM
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IronWolf pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,359 Buzzard County, FL	"Brother Maynard, consult the book of armaments" Mopar Chassis Manual, page 169 .. And the lord spaketh : "A pinion snubber should be used on 4-speed manual cars (poor devils). Automatic cars don't necessarily require one." ... The adjustable snubber is also helpful on manual transmissions because it enables you to set the clearance of 0 to 1/2". Any pinion snubber used with the manual transmission cars has to be very strong or it will bend and no longer function properly. If the pinion snubber is preloaded against the floor, the car will tend to hop, jump, or porpoise. The pinion snubber tends to pound the floor very hard. Spreading the load out by adding a plate to the floor and running a brace from the rollcage to the backside of the plate helps keep deflection to a minimum".

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: IronWolf] #29638 09/18/06 04:25 PM 09/18/06 04:25 PM
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moper I Live Here M Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,675 Columbia, CT	It works for some, it doesnt for others. It shouldnt be such a raging debate really. I like them, but there are a few cars I know for whatever reason dont run well with them. Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: moper] #29639 09/18/06 05:03 PM 09/18/06 05:03 PM
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IronWolf pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,359 Buzzard County, FL	It figgers - let me show you how snubbers do NOT WORK !!!!! I'll be glad to blow another Myth outta the water . What track, and when ? Auto/360, here.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: IronWolf] #29640 09/18/06 05:05 PM 09/18/06 05:05 PM
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IronWolf pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,359 Buzzard County, FL	Oh, and you can drive Moper - how's that ??

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: IronWolf] #29641 09/18/06 05:06 PM 09/18/06 05:06 PM
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,968 North Riverside IL & Lowell IN GTXKen super gas
GTXKen super gas Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,968 North Riverside IL & Lowell IN	I can't keep track of which side is winning on threads like this without some voting!

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: GTXKen] #29642 09/18/06 05:31 PM 09/18/06 05:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,359 Buzzard County, FL IronWolf pro stock
IronWolf pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,359 Buzzard County, FL	Well, you can tell and find the truth by doing some research (aka reading, not on this site, unfortunately). I'm just tired of these myths being perpetuated by the ignorant. The myths don't help at all..

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: IronWolf] #29643 09/18/06 07:02 PM 09/18/06 07:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,092 B BRawls super gas
BRawls super gas B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,092	Quote: I'm just tired of these myths being perpetuated by the ignorant. The myths don't help at all.. I'm not sure WHAT myths are being perpetuated. I know that a snubber worked on my car with SS springs, but not on other peoples. There are so many variations in drivers, cars, motors, converters, etc. how can anybody be so sure it will or will not work? I don't see the real problem, if you don't need a snubber, don't use one and visa-versa. If your SS springs work the way some people say, it won't even make contact with the floor. So the only down side is carring 5 lbs. of extra weight.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: BRawls] #29644 09/18/06 08:42 PM 09/18/06 08:42 PM
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greenduster mopar addict G Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 485 Northern Wisconsin	Hay guys. Use what works for you and let the others use what they like. SS springs and a pinion snubber works for me. The car launches hard and it may not even hit the PS. 2931170-1dusterburnout.jpg (232 downloads)

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: greenduster] #29645 09/18/06 09:35 PM 09/18/06 09:35 PM
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Reggie top fuel R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,111 Bowie, MD	Whew!! Lets add this one to the list of "Official Beaten Dead Horses"...... 340 or 360 318 or 360 Big Block or Small Block Stroker or Stock Stroke Eddy or Cast Iron Heads Auto or 4-Speed 727 or 904 8.25" any good? Eddy or Holley Carb 741 any good? 742 vs 489 Green vs OEM-style axle bearings Turbo vs Supercharger Clutch fan vs. Flex Fan Rubber vs Poly vs Polygraphite Ported or Manifold Vacuum

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: 70dart360] #29646 09/19/06 12:28 AM 09/19/06 12:28 AM
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Dave_J master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,122 Auburn WA	Nanvet has been banned for some reason.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: Dave_J] #29647 09/19/06 03:20 AM 09/19/06 03:20 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Nanvet has been banned for some reason. How do you know that?

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers #29648 09/19/06 08:00 AM 09/19/06 08:00 AM
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plymouthfan top fuel Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,630 Burma Shave	Quote: Quote: Nanvet has been banned for some reason. How do you know that? Look at his title One red car, one yellow car.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: plymouthfan] #29649 09/19/06 08:17 AM 09/19/06 08:17 AM
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CJK440 master C Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,982 Ansonia, CT	I think the snubber is more than just to stop spring wrap. As the tires rotate forward the axle housing counters and wants to rotate backwards. The axis of rotation at this point is the axle shaft. When the snubber contacts the floor board the housing can no longer rotate on the center of the axle shaft. The momentum of the housing rotation now tries to lift the car up off the ground similar to when you twist a flat blade screwdriver to seperate 2 parts. This places more force downward onto the tires. Sounds great in theory. But I wonder if Snubbers are like helper springs. If you put a mondo spring pack on a truck, you don't need helpers. But if you want a compromise you put a lighter spring with a helper that comes into play when loaded only. Maybe a pinion snubber is a great way to allow for a decent ride but also keep against wrap up when the customer wants to romp on it. 2017 Contusion Blue Challenger T/A 392 M6 "BLKNBLU"

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: CJK440] #29650 09/19/06 11:14 AM 09/19/06 11:14 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,122 Auburn WA Dave_J master
Dave_J master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,122 Auburn WA	CJK440, you nailed it. Thats what a shubber was ment to do. Its true some cars dont need one, and tapeing the front part of the springs does help on other cars. And just a side note, after talking to my favorite Modorator (I like them all), I found out Namvet was and is Dr Fiberglass and is banned agian. DaveJ Retired, US ARMY 1973-1994 ASE mechanic, Electrical 1994-1997 Retired GTE/VERIZON/FRONTIER 1997-2015 Posting cheap tech help (CRAP) here since Nov 97, 1000's of posts, some may be good. 03 Suzuki Burgman 650(Burger King) Scooter 65 Formula S Cuda 78 Little Red Express Truck 98 Buick Regal (wifes car)

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: IronWolf] #29651 09/19/06 11:51 AM 09/19/06 11:51 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,675 Columbia, CT M moper I Live Here
moper I Live Here M Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,675 Columbia, CT	Quote: Oh, and you can drive Moper - how's that ?? Iron, anytime I can get the chance I love to drive others' cars. I'd be privileged to take yours down the track. My point is tho, your car, and every other one, is it's own beastie. What works for you, or for the SE guys, doesnt work accross the board. Neither does "the other side's (pro-snubbers..)" arguments. You use stock eliminator as an example. The friends I have that ran it dropped the clutch at 6800, running 5.13 gears in a 3500lbs car on a 9" slick IIRC. So anything that helps soften that apply for a milisecond or two helped the 9" wide tires grab. SO yes, I wouldnt be putting a snubber on one. Your typical stock 340 E body doesnt need one either, until you seat 4 adults and a full tank of fuel in it. That's what the factory needed them for. I'm not disagreeing with your opinion, just the delivery. I'm saying each single application, and in many cases each single person working on the stup will require something for that application. I can tell you, there are many more running snubbers, than those that run none or those that run devices such as Cal Tacs and Slide-a-links all combined. And they work fine for them. No biggie really, but I wouldn't swear loosing it is the be all end all of solutions. It's not. At least not on every car. When do you get up north? Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: 383man] #29652 09/19/06 12:37 PM 09/19/06 12:37 PM
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52savoy master 5 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,231 State of retirement	Quote: Here is my take on the Pinion Snubber. I have been into muscle cars and drag racing since the late 60's and I remember most of the Mopar performance bulletins in the late 60's and 70's would tell us to use the pinion snubber and most local bracket racers did use them back then. I always figured that the experts thought with the rear end twist they figured that the pinion snubber would rest it on the car body when it contacted the underbody and the car weight would help plant the tires. I guess most Mopar racers just figured it worked because the experts told us it did. Maybe it does work on some cars and maybe it don't work on others. It depends on the suspension setup and of course worn out springs will most likely make a snubber help. Now it's 2006 and even the local bracket racer seems to run caltracks nowadays and the technology has suspension's working good so most feel you don't need the pinion snubber anymore. Now this is just the way it has looked to me over the years. I can't blame a racer for using a pinion snubber because years ago Mopar said it was one of the best things to help your Mopar hook up. Did it work ??? It depends on who you ask. I ran one for years back in the 70's on my 66 Dart with a 4-speed and worn out springs with air shocks. It had a mild 340 in it and it ran a best of 11.90's @ 112 back in 1981. So I guess it hooked ok for 9" slicks and air shocks. I really don't know if it helped that much or not but I do know we have the 002 and 003 SS springs on my boys Dart street car. And I know it's best 60 ft is a 1.61 without the pinion snubber on it. We had it on the car a year ago and it made no difference. So to answer the question of does a pinion snubber work ???? All I can say is try it and see how it does on your car. Some say it works and some say it don't help at all. It can't hurt to try it and find out for yourself. Ron I've been driving mopars since the late sixties also and went the PS route because Chrysler said to. When I started racing my HEMI roadrunner in the late '70s, I had the stock HEMI springs with a snubber. The next year I removed the snubber and just clamped the front section of the springs and removed the bands on the rear half. The car planted the tires harder. Later on I switched back to the snubber just to see what would happen. No improvement...In 1980 I switched to super/stock springs with high hopes of better E/Ts...Didn't happen. My stock springs were just as good.......So I guess it comes down to what you believe. oh yeah...I went 10.60s at almost 129mph Hemi roadruuner racing pictures Last edited by newBee68; 09/19/06 12:43 PM.

Re: Questions about pinion snubbers [Re: moper] #29653 09/19/06 12:41 PM 09/19/06 12:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,092 B BRawls super gas
BRawls super gas B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,092	Moper - Nice classy reply.

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