Questions about pinion snubbers

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BUT with proper springs ... there will be no wrap-up ...and the pinion angle should not move anymore that 3-5 degrees at the most.

As many chassis builders have said ... a PS is just a band-aid for INeffective rear springs.

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Wow braggin rights over PS's !!!

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Yep - pinion snubbers are just a waste of time and effort and money, and pure garbage/crutch. Ask some of the race guys.. Buy good springs and install them and you will eliminate wheel hop. DAMHIK.

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Welcome ... to another defender of the "truth" .. !

I should add .... Some time ago - I saw a car with bad springs and a snubber BLOW the driveshaft OUT from under the vehicle ....during a 60 foot shot --

You could HEAR the snubber banging-on-the-floor and then the DS was just SPIT out.

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every body has a right to post and express there opinion. problem is we don't know how to act when someone else has a different oppinion.

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Aint that the truth! Somebody coming back with a different opinion is often taken as a personal slap in the face. It's not. BTW, you spelled opinion wrong the second time.

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would you like the grammar fixing job

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Are you kidding? I can't spell or structure sentences either! But it's always fun to point out others errors.

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We were posting about this same topic the other night and Namvet keeps asking others to quote thier sorses, but can he post all his? Can he post WHY Chrysler put them on the cars when Ford and GM did not? He starts posting hostal right off the bat. Sounds like HES the one that needs to chill out. Post proof or please dont post. I dont want to start a fight, but lighten up. DaveJ

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Why doesn't the Top-Mod here give his on the infamous PS ?

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Maybe I don't have one?

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Welll ....neither do I ..... I "lost" mine in 70's !

It seems to have "disappeared" after I bought a set of budget SS spring back in the early 70's.

The last time I ran my 62(2003) ...... it went 12 teens with a 2.76 gear with a 7" DOT tire....thru the muffs with iron manifolds.

Say NO to a PS seems to be wurkin' furrr me !

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but you don't have enough power or traction to wrap the springs just kidding

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but you don't have enough power or traction to wrap the springs just kidding

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Not 'nuff power ? ... yes it is a little lacking. The mph is about 10 mph LESS than it should be. With a good sealing shortblock ...and a decent set of heads - the car should run maybe 11.70's or so. ..... and maybe get better mileage than the 17 mpg it is getting now !

Traction ? .... a 1.69 60 foot(best) is not that bad. And those 7" Hoosier Super Dirt Stocker WERK like a !

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one what, opinion or snubber?

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Both.

Our cars are built to corner, not launch, although we'll be experimenting with mono-leafs & Cal-tracks next year.

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I took my pinion snubber off and clamped my springs. I went from 1.60 60ft to 1.43 60ft. this is with ss springs. Results do not lie.

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I took my pinion snubber off and clamped my springs. I went from 1.60 60ft to 1.43 60ft. this is with ss springs. Results do not lie.


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just like anything else a misadjusted part can cause problems. it was probably set to close unloading the tires. or to far away doing nothing.

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Thats one of the problems that I have seen with them. In one spot its to close and yes it unloads the tires, move it down one hole and it does nothing. Clamping the springs is what made the difference with my car.

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So what I have done is wrong? Your saying that clamping the springs does not constitute trial and error, and that I did not try to make the p/s work? You are assuming a lot. Is a p/s the only way to make a ss spring car hook? Or maybe I am just not making enough power for a p/s to work correctly. There is more than one way to do things. A p/s is not always the answer.
Last time out at speedworld was back in June the high temp that day was 118 the car went [Email]10.64@126[/Email]
1.43 60ft.

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am not assuming nothing and what I said is not directed to you just a general statement. clamping the front segment is a good thing. most of the snubber nay sayers never took the time to get then working. either that or they don't have the proper pinion angle to begin with. just curious what is your pinion angle

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Directed at me or not you did quote me. Either way I did not take it personal. I cannot speak about what others may or may not have taken the time to do. I do know that there is a lot of fast cars on this board so some of the nay sayers must be doing somthing right. Pinion angle is set at 5 down

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Welll ....neither do I ..... I "lost" mine in 70's !

It seems to have "disappeared" after I bought a set of budget SS spring back in the early 70's.

The last time I ran my 62(2003) ...... it went 12 teens with a 2.76 gear with a 7" DOT tire....thru the muffs with iron manifolds.

Saying "NO to a PS" seems to be wurkin' furrr me !

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I'm just tired of these myths being perpetuated by the ignorant. The myths don't help at all..

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Nanvet has been banned for some reason.

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Oh, and you can drive Moper - how's that ??

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Iron, anytime I can get the chance I love to drive others' cars. I'd be privileged to take yours down the track. My point is tho, your car, and every other one, is it's own beastie. What works for you, or for the SE guys, doesnt work accross the board. Neither does "the other side's (pro-snubbers..)" arguments. You use stock eliminator as an example. The friends I have that ran it dropped the clutch at 6800, running 5.13 gears in a 3500lbs car on a 9" slick IIRC. So anything that helps soften that apply for a milisecond or two helped the 9" wide tires grab. SO yes, I wouldnt be putting a snubber on one. Your typical stock 340 E body doesnt need one either, until you seat 4 adults and a full tank of fuel in it. That's what the factory needed them for. I'm not disagreeing with your opinion, just the delivery. I'm saying each single application, and in many cases each single person working on the stup will require something for that application. I can tell you, there are many more running snubbers, than those that run none or those that run devices such as Cal Tacs and Slide-a-links all combined. And they work fine for them. No biggie really, but I wouldn't swear loosing it is the be all end all of solutions. It's not. At least not on every car.

When do you get up north?

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Here is my take on the Pinion Snubber. I have been into muscle cars and drag racing since the late 60's and I remember most of the Mopar performance bulletins in the late 60's and 70's would tell us to use the pinion snubber and most local bracket racers did use them back then. I always figured that the experts thought with the rear end twist they figured that the pinion snubber would rest it on the car body when it contacted the underbody and the car weight would help plant the tires. I guess most Mopar racers just figured it worked because the experts told us it did. Maybe it does work on some cars and maybe it don't work on others. It depends on the suspension setup and of course worn out springs will most likely make a snubber help. Now it's 2006 and even the local bracket racer seems to run caltracks nowadays and the technology has suspension's working good so most feel you don't need the pinion snubber anymore. Now this is just the way it has looked to me over the years. I can't blame a racer for using a pinion snubber because years ago Mopar said it was one of the best things to help your Mopar hook up. Did it work ??? It depends on who you ask. I ran one for years back in the 70's on my 66 Dart with a 4-speed and worn out springs with air shocks. It had a mild 340 in it and it ran a best of 11.90's @ 112 back in 1981. So I guess it hooked ok for 9" slicks and air shocks. I really don't know if it helped that much or not but I do know we have the 002 and 003 SS springs on my boys Dart street car. And I know it's best 60 ft is a 1.61 without the pinion snubber on it. We had it on the car a year ago and it made no difference. So to answer the question of does a pinion snubber work ???? All I can say is try it and see how it does on your car. Some say it works and some say it don't help at all. It can't hurt to try it and find out for yourself. Ron

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I've been driving mopars since the late sixties also and went the PS route because Chrysler said to. When I started racing my HEMI roadrunner in the late '70s, I had the stock HEMI springs with a snubber. The next year I removed the snubber and just clamped the front section of the springs and removed the bands on the rear half. The car planted the tires harder. Later on I switched back to the snubber just to see what would happen. No improvement...In 1980 I switched to super/stock springs with high hopes of better E/Ts...Didn't happen. My stock springs were just as good.......So I guess it comes down to what you believe. oh yeah...I went 10.60s at almost 129mph Hemi roadruuner racing pictures