Re: RV2 AC Compressor or new style rotary . . .
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Re: RV2 AC Compressor or new style rotary . . .
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I am just too much of an anal purist. I'd stick with the original. The only thing I would question is if the shaft seal is compatible with R-134A.
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Re: RV2 AC Compressor or new style rotary . . .
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03/09/21 01:33 PM
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If it was working and my engine bay was as pretty as that one--no way I would tear it apart to fix some thing that wasn't broken.
If it starts to go, then maybe I would look at some options.
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Re: RV2 AC Compressor or new style rotary . . .
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Keep in mind that you need to install a clutch cycling switch if you use other than the RV2 compressor.
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Re: RV2 AC Compressor or new style rotary . . .
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If I had a functional RV2 setup, I'd simply repair it.
Especially on a driver or cruiser.
If I was building from scratch a full function touring car I would go newer. But that would be accepting that everything is going to be custom.
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Re: RV2 AC Compressor or new style rotary . . .
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03/09/21 10:20 PM
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[quote=John_Kunkel]Keep in mind that you need to install a clutch cycling switch if you use other than the RV2 compressor. [/quote
Why is that?] The system will freeze up. The RV2 has a valve that keeps that from happening.
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Re: RV2 AC Compressor or new style rotary . . .
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The RV2 will pump more gas than the sanden by a reasonable percentage, leave it alone...
Is that a propane converter behind the battery? No, that factory cruise control transducer
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Re: RV2 AC Compressor or new style rotary . . .
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03/16/21 12:01 PM
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Shaft seals on AC Compressors are not lip seals like you would see on a low pressure seal like a main seal. They are a type of seal that looks a lot like the seamless ring seals in a transmission. They should be R134a resistant because they are not rubber. Side note: Never handle a compressor seal with your hands. According the manufacturers, it ruins them. I have converted a lot of systems over to R134a and I have not had a leak at the compressor shaft seal. All have leaked down over time much faster than an R12 system would. It may be the smaller molecules escaping through the hoses not designed for R134a or the fact that R134a tends to run higher pressures and the result is small leakage. Mineral oil was used in R12 systems. Mineral oil will not carry in R134a so it settles in the bottoms of the compressor, drier, and cores. So you will need to change the oil or at least run Ester oil. PAG and Mineral oil are not compatible together. Fill your system by pressure not the quantity, books will tell you 80% R134 to what the original R12 system used but that is usually too much. Pressures are temperature dependent. All that said I have no problem using the old system if I want it to look stock but it will never cool as good as a properly functioning R12 system. If you want the absolute best using R134a gas, then install a matched component system made for R134a. My
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Re: RV2 AC Compressor or new style rotary . . .
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03/16/21 03:24 PM
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Around here, little cans of R12 go for about $20 each. Seems like no big deal unless you have a leaker.
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Re: RV2 AC Compressor or new style rotary . . .
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Can you still drive into Canada or Mexico and get it recharged with R12? Asking for a friend I am in Canada . . . and it's all R134 up here, as far as I know. When I put the car together, all AC components were NEW, with R134 compatible hoses, seals, etc . . .
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Re: RV2 AC Compressor or new style rotary . . .
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If I had a functional RV2 setup, I'd simply repair it.
Especially on a driver or cruiser.
If I was building from scratch a full function touring car I would go newer. But that would be accepting that everything is going to be custom. Same here. A scratch build would see (you would have to squint) a sanden mounted under the alternator where the fuel pump used to be.
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Re: RV2 AC Compressor or new style rotary . . .
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Propane is an excellent refrigerant. It's just against the law to use it in a car, but so is speeding and they don't have a radar gun for propane. LOL stirthepot Ever wonder why it's against the law? Propane is highly flammable and anything that breaks a line and can ignite it then you have a fireball under your hood! R134 uses a higher operating pressure than does R12. So if the time comes where you might need to do some work to the ac system it's wise to use a compressor that is made for 134a. If you have a 6 pack or hemi the choice is simple because you don't have the option.
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Re: RV2 AC Compressor or new style rotary . . .
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If the advantages of the new compressor attract you so much, you can change it. But I don't recommend it. First of all, remove the exhaust manifold from the engine. After that, loosen the generator belt and release the compressor pulley. Next, an external inspection of the compressor is performed, and the freon circulation tubes are removed. After that, pull out the plug with the wires from the compressor connector and unscrew the nuts of its fastening. Remove the old compressor, and install a new one in its place. But in general, I don't advise you to do it yourself. It's better to find affordable and reliable aircon service.
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Re: RV2 AC Compressor or new style rotary . . .
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07/20/21 08:28 PM
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The oil, whether it be mineral, PAG or Ester, does not circulate with the refrigerant in an RV2/R-12 system like a rotary/134a compressor system, regardless of the refrigerant you choose to use.
Any of the three oils should work on the RV2 as long as you add it to the crankcase of the compressor and NOT the charging port. THE OIL DOES NOT MIX AND CIRCULATE WITH THE REFRIGERANT with an RV2 or York/Tecumseh..
I'm by no no means an AC system expert, but according to the service manual in an RV2/R12 system the oil does mix with and is carried by the R12 through the entire system.
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Re: RV2 AC Compressor or new style rotary . . .
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07/20/21 08:55 PM
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The oil, whether it be mineral, PAG or Ester, does not circulate with the refrigerant in an RV2/R-12 system like a rotary/134a compressor system, regardless of the refrigerant you choose to use.
Any of the three oils should work on the RV2 as long as you add it to the crankcase of the compressor and NOT the charging port. THE OIL DOES NOT MIX AND CIRCULATE WITH THE REFRIGERANT with an RV2 or York/Tecumseh..
I'm by no no means an AC system expert, but according to the service manual in an RV2/R12 system the oil does mix with and is carried by the R12 through the entire system. I think he was referring to the RV2 twin cylinder compressor used on old Mopars. The majority of the oil sits in the sump splash oiling the Compressor like a lawn mower engine does. Yes, you are correct that oil will circulate but it will not get into the sump through the hoses. With the RV2 compressor, putting oil in the hoses is like adding adding oil to a lawn mower engine through the carburetor. Because it will circulate, you should also add some to the system in the drier when installing everything from scratch to lubricate the other parts. i.e. compressor valves, expansion valves I use ester oil in R12 systems because PAG and Mineral Oil are not compatible. At least the manual says they aren't so I have never tried it any other way.
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Re: RV2 AC Compressor or new style rotary . . .
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07/21/21 09:54 AM
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Yup I was also referring to the RV2 twin cylinder compressors. Maybe a semantics issue - IDK. Anyway, here is the relevant part of the 1970 service manual that I was referring to.
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