Re: Free Pole Barn
[Re: RTSE4ME]
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11/25/20 10:52 AM
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John Brown
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What if you were to connect them together, then it would be only one building.
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Re: Free Pole Barn
[Re: RTSE4ME]
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11/25/20 11:08 AM
11/25/20 11:08 AM
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RobG
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You do not have to hire an attorney. Just go visit the local city/twp office and speak to the building dept. Get the necessary forms and fill them out asking for a variance in setback. Inform your neighbors what you want to do and if possible, get them to write you an approval for variance letter (Better yet, have one pre-written and just have them sign it - include their name, address and signature spaces.) You will need to provide a more detailed drawing with the property outline and distances including how much "over" you may infringe on the setback. The Building inspector can assist you on the details. Then submit it to the Planning/Zoning Department for approval. There may be a filing fee. Most folks in our area have to appeal the Planning department's first decision to see approval at a Zoning Board of Appeals meeting.
FYI - it can take up to 3 months to get approval.
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Re: Free Pole Barn
[Re: RTSE4ME]
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11/25/20 11:52 AM
11/25/20 11:52 AM
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6PakBee
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In my one horse town the litmus test is that a hardship has to exist to qualify for a variance. Extra cost is not considered a hardship. Then there are only certain parts of the zoning code that the P&Z board is authorized to grant variances on, setbacks being one of them. Unless the property is pinned, a survey is needed to establish the property lines. The neighbors that are within 300 feet have to support the variance. One then fills out a form and appears before the P&Z board. If the board approves the variance, then it goes to the city council. If the council approves it, then you have your variance and you are good to go.
I would doubt if your situation is exactly like that. But I have never seen a county or town that doesn't have some type of zoning ordinance and in that ordinance there should be the procedure for obtaining a variance. Do some homework, I have found that many people in government who do this really don't know what their own codes contain or require.
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Re: Free Pole Barn
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11/25/20 05:37 PM
11/25/20 05:37 PM
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AndyF
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Just buy the land and ignore the set back requirements. You aren't building anything new so you don't need a permit. The structures already exist and you aren't changing them. Your pole barn might technically be in violation of the setback rule but it is a preexisting structure. If the setback violation doesn't bother you and it doesn't bother the neighbor then nobody cares. You might run into an issue down the road if your neighbor sells her land and/or if you decide you want to upgrade the pole barn. But if you just draw a new property boundary and leave all existing structures as is then I don't see any reason why you need a variance. You aren't doing anything so you don't need permission to do something.
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Re: Free Pole Barn
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11/25/20 07:57 PM
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Hemi_Joel
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you probably need a surveyor to establish the new lot line and description of the property to be transferred in the lot line adjustment. Then just go to the county and tell them you want to do a lot line adjustment. If they don't bring up anything about building setbacks, then you don't. Done deal.
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Re: Free Pole Barn
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11/26/20 12:44 AM
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You do not have to hire an attorney. Just go visit the local city/twp office and speak to the building dept. Get the necessary forms and fill them out asking for a variance in setback. Inform your neighbors what you want to do and if possible, get them to write you an approval for variance letter (Better yet, have one pre-written and just have them sign it - include their name, address and signature spaces.) You will need to provide a more detailed drawing with the property outline and distances including how much "over" you may infringe on the setback. The Building inspector can assist you on the details. Then submit it to the Planning/Zoning Department for approval. There may be a filing fee. Most folks in our area have to appeal the Planning department's first decision to see approval at a Zoning Board of Appeals meeting.
FYI - it can take up to 3 months to get approval. You'll probably get approval as long as you pay. They want your $$.
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Re: Free Pole Barn
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11/26/20 07:40 AM
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Take the appropriate measures to buy the land and do the transfer and KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT about the building. If anything is mentioned about it, it was all legal when it was built and that should be sufficient. Hypothetically, if two 20-storey buildings are built side by side an then one is sold off, does one have to be demolished? If a person severs their lot 8 feet from their house, does the house have to be demolished? I strongly suspect the by-law applies to new construction and the folks at city hall are too damn lazy to look it up! Until the property next door is sold and surveyed for the new owner.
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Re: Free Pole Barn
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11/26/20 12:00 PM
11/26/20 12:00 PM
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skicker
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I had to jump through a bunch of hoops when I built my garage... I ended up having to get an attorney when I closed a paper alley that was the rear boundary... You mention the setbacks are 10'... I know where I'm at they are 8' to a side or rear property line owned by someone else... In my case it was a county owned paper alley which had a 15' setback...Thus the need for an attorney... I think I'd run the new property line between the two where both owners mutually agree it needs to be and have that drawn up to approach the county with... I'm not sure if including the location of the existing structure would matter as your only concern with the county would be the land acquisition... In my experience with the county they do not answer questions directly for fear of being held to what they say...
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