Leveling front with rear W150
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I'd like to level the front with the rear on my '79 W150. I don't tow or haul heavy loads, and I think the level stance looks better. With the leaf spring front suspension, is it as simple as block spacers up front? I think it's 1.5 inches, but haven't measured yet. I have to measure U bolts too. Hope I won't need longer ones. Anyone done this? Thanks.
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Re: Leveling front with rear W150
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The general consensus is lift blocks are NOT recommended on the front of a leaf spring 4x4. The correct way would be to either put a longer shackle on it or a taller spring. Alternatively you could lower the rear to match the front, either by shackles or getting the springs de-arched.
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Re: Leveling front with rear W150
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I went through this on my '86 and if they are the same, it's quite a pain in the 4ss. There's a few "gotchas" that Dodge engineered into it: the factory springs have a reverse arch in them with shackles engineered for this, and if I remember right the driver side has studs going into the housing, not u-bolts. Good luck getting them out. Maybe your truck is different? I bought re-arched springs (I think it was Superlift.....loooooong time ago) with 1.5" lift and absolutely hated it: the truck rode higher in the front (even with their matching re-arched springs in the back) and not one corner of that truck measured level. It rode rougher than a wagon no matter what shock I put on it. Still have a photo of it, if you want I can post it. What Blus says is true. Lift blocks not allowed on the front leaf suspension vehicles. Reason I was given is if you slam on the brakes the axle can flop back under the block. Makes sense.
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Re: Leveling front with rear W150
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Thanks for info. I googled for leveling kits, but only found LIFT kits from Rough Country and the other big company who's name escapes me now.
I see U-bolts on both sides.
I'll take a look at RCC, but it's sounding like I might just to let it be.
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Re: Leveling front with rear W150
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Yes Mike, has the factory lift and sits a bit higher in rear (1" to 1.5"?). That add a leaf posted by buildanother is interesting. Claims to keep spring rate same, and I like that. I'd rather not lower rear, rather bring up front if possible.
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Re: Leveling front with rear W150
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I have a pair of add a leafs off my D150 , you can have them just pay for the shipping pm me if interested
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Re: Leveling front with rear W150
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I have a pair of add a leafs off my D150 , you can have them just pay for the shipping pm me if interested PM sent, thank you!
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Re: Leveling front with rear W150
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What exactly is "cross over steering"?
From their website on the "add a leaf": On front applications with crossover steering be aware that you will be losing clearance between the draglink and your RH spring. The full 1" from the offset Zero Rates™ could cause you problems there - make sure to check it out.
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Re: Leveling front with rear W150
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What exactly is "cross over steering"?
From their website on the "add a leaf": On front applications with crossover steering be aware that you will be losing clearance between the draglink and your RH spring. The full 1" from the offset Zero Rates™ could cause you problems there - make sure to check it out. It's where you have your drag link go from your pitman arm to your passenger side knuckle. You generally need special steering arms that bolt onto the knuckles. It's done more with Dana 60 applications, where you bolt the steering arms where the kingpin tops would go. Your tie rod can be on these arms as well, to keep the tie rod up higher. You can do it with a Dana 44, but you need to machine and tap into the tops of your knuckles. Another way is to get aftermarket knuckles, like Reid Racing, which have provisions for the arms. They're pretty pricey though.
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Re: Leveling front with rear W150
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Okay thanks for info on crossover steering. No mods to my front end so won't be problem with that. I ordered the add-a-leaf
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Re: Leveling front with rear W150
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I'm even afraid to click the 'reply' button to the post above. How safe do you think his link would be???? Okay, you lost me. I didn't post a link in that message, and I'm not sure what being called a "troll" means exactly when it comes to forums. But hey, thanks for the useful information!
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Re: Leveling front with rear W150
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I'm even afraid to click the 'reply' button to the post above. How safe do you think his link would be???? Okay, you lost me. I didn't post a link in that message, and I'm not sure what being called a "troll" means exactly when it comes to forums. But hey, thanks for the useful information! You missed it, the offending post has been removed. It was spam for some sex site, nothing to do with you or the topic.
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Re: Leveling front with rear W150
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I'm even afraid to click the 'reply' button to the post above. How safe do you think his link would be???? Okay, you lost me. I didn't post a link in that message, and I'm not sure what being called a "troll" means exactly when it comes to forums. But hey, thanks for the useful information! You missed it, the offending post has been removed. It was spam for some sex site, nothing to do with you or the topic. Yeah, it said something about 'escorts' and had a link to click on. I was born at night, just not last night. Me no clickie. No way Jose..... The post was the first post by someone new. I never trust a link put up by someone on their first post.
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