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lm1 users #278652 04/05/09 08:54 PM 04/05/09 08:54 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut OP Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut OP Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	what is your A/F out of the hole? i'm in the 10s then its in the 12.5 range past the pump shot i'm more interested in footbrake guys as i dont think transbrake guys deal with this Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: lm1 users [Re: sixpackgut] #278653 04/05/09 09:15 PM 04/05/09 09:15 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,489 the boonies aarcuda I Live Here
aarcuda I Live Here Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 15,489 the boonies	mine (416 sixpack) with the 50 cc pump and brown cam would momentarily drop into the 11's than then come back out to mid to low mid 12's. I went to the drag strip today and on my second run i had a little bog so i changed the cam out to the clear one. Unfortunately, the lm1 kept disconnecting during the run so I can say i have any good data from the track today

Re: lm1 users [Re: aarcuda] #278654 04/06/09 09:23 AM 04/06/09 09:23 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut OP Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut OP Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: lm1 users [Re: sixpackgut] #278655 04/06/09 12:27 PM 04/06/09 12:27 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,163 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,163 Bend,OR USA	Mine was 14.1 at the hit with the old fuel pump and leaned out to 15.3 at the end of the run. I switch pumps and the LM1 read 11.9 to 12.3 the whole run, which was slower than the lean runs That is using a 30 cc pump on the center carb. only and 32 squirter I am getting ready to do some more tuning on both sets of carbs as soon as I get the LM1(with the LC1 upgrade) back in the car The power cord broke the red wire solder connection going into the box Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: lm1 users [Re: Cab_Burge] #278656 04/06/09 12:31 PM 04/06/09 12:31 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut OP Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut OP Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	Quote: Mine was 14.1 at the hit with the old fuel pump and leaned out to 15.3 at the end of the run. I switch pumps and the LM1 read 11.9 to 12.3 the whole run, which was slower than the lean runs That is using a 30 cc pump on the center carb. only and 32 squirter I am getting ready to do some more tuning on both sets of carbs as soon as I get the LM1(with the LC1 upgrade) back in the car The power cord broke the red wire solder connection going into the box that sounds confusing Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: lm1 users [Re: sixpackgut] #278657 04/06/09 12:35 PM 04/06/09 12:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,988 Warren, MI J Jerry master
Jerry master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,988 Warren, MI	lean engines actually produce more overall power. you may have been flooding the engine and not getting a good burn when you were down in the 10s and 11s on your afr. i wouldn't run much lower than 12.5-12.7 to get the best peak power. also if your dipping down then you need to change your cam to one with a longer pump shot. also if you switched pump your pump maybe overcoming your floats and dumping fuel into the carb. if not then you were set really rich to comp for the lack of fuel flow from the first pump. the carb works on a venturi and if the level of gas in the bowl is higher more will go through the jet and into the engine. Superior Design Concepts 2574 Elliott Dr Troy MI 48083 jerry@sdconcepts.com www.sdconcepts.com Facebook page: Superior Design Concepts www.bcrproducts.com

Re: lm1 users [Re: sixpackgut] #278658 04/06/09 12:43 PM 04/06/09 12:43 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Granted I run a trans brake but I see the dip as soon as I hit the pedal and it quickly goes to the level it should but it always gets the dip(this is from when its idling to WOT)... its just the pump shot

Re: lm1 users [Re: MR_P_BODY] #278659 04/06/09 01:20 PM 04/06/09 01:20 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut OP Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut OP Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	MR P BODY, do you dip into the 10 range on the hit? i could put smaller cams in my setup if i wanted too, i'm just curious what other guys are seeing Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: lm1 users [Re: sixpackgut] #278660 04/06/09 01:32 PM 04/06/09 01:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream LAR_414 master
LAR_414 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream	Dips to about 11.9-12.3 range and then climbs up to 12.8-13.1 at the stripe.

Re: lm1 users [Re: sixpackgut] #278661 04/06/09 01:49 PM 04/06/09 01:49 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: MR P BODY, do you dip into the 10 range on the hit? i could put smaller cams in my setup if i wanted too, i'm just curious what other guys are seeing No I went to 11.6 most every time, sounds like your squirters are too big

Re: lm1 users [Re: MR_P_BODY] #278662 04/06/09 03:11 PM 04/06/09 03:11 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut OP Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut OP Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	Quote: Quote: MR P BODY, do you dip into the 10 range on the hit? i could put smaller cams in my setup if i wanted too, i'm just curious what other guys are seeing No I went to 11.6 most every time, sounds like your squirters are too big yes, i agree. thanks guys Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: lm1 users [Re: sixpackgut] #278663 04/06/09 03:20 PM 04/06/09 03:20 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream LAR_414 master
LAR_414 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream	Squirters may be the right size, but you may need to play with the CAM or the position (#1 or #2) of the pump cam. I played a bunch with mine, to get a good duration shot that wasn't too much / too little using the LM-1 as the "eyes" to see what was happening. Only takes a little time in a parking lot or at the track. I actually found that the cam / cam position was worth the most change. I found that the actual squirter size was a fine tuning measure.

Re: lm1 users [Re: sixpackgut] #278664 04/06/09 03:23 PM 04/06/09 03:23 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,217 Wellington, FL C cudabunch pro stock
cudabunch pro stock C Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,217 Wellington, FL	First off, what rpm are you leaving at? When looking at the graph,is it rich while your holding it before stomping the pedal or after you leave? I have gone all the way down to 25 squirters and it doesnt help.I think its the cam.I leave at idle and mine goes into the 9's for a short time then to 12.8 I think it was Tig on here that ground some off the cams to help in this situation.

Re: lm1 users [Re: cudabunch] #278665 04/06/09 03:37 PM 04/06/09 03:37 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut OP Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut OP Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	it dips into the 10 when i mash the pedal. i have been testing in DaScreet. a smaller shooter will change the duration of the pump shot but not lessin it. Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: lm1 users [Re: sixpackgut] #278666 04/06/09 04:26 PM 04/06/09 04:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,988 Warren, MI J Jerry master
Jerry master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,988 Warren, MI	you want a smaller cam that will lengthen the duraction. also i would try smaller nozzles once the cam is changed. you'll be surprized how much better it will drive without that puff of black smoke out the back everytime you tap the pedal. Superior Design Concepts 2574 Elliott Dr Troy MI 48083 jerry@sdconcepts.com www.sdconcepts.com Facebook page: Superior Design Concepts www.bcrproducts.com

Re: lm1 users [Re: sixpackgut] #278667 04/06/09 04:41 PM 04/06/09 04:41 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,217 Wellington, FL C cudabunch pro stock
cudabunch pro stock C Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,217 Wellington, FL	Quote: it dips into the 10 when i mash the pedal. i have been testing in DaScreet. a smaller shooter will change the duration of the pump shot but not lessin it. DaSecreet huh, I had Dan order me a 3-X manifold just to stay ahead.

Re: lm1 users [Re: sixpackgut] #278668 04/06/09 05:06 PM 04/06/09 05:06 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,163 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,163 Bend,OR USA	Quote: Quote: that sounds confusing Which part? Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: lm1 users [Re: sixpackgut] #278669 04/06/09 05:25 PM 04/06/09 05:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 450 Texas 6 6packattk mopar
6packattk mopar 6 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 450 Texas	I don`t have lm-1 but went to 37 squirter from 32 and my butt dyno noticed a world of difference,I had played with cam sizes and springs but the 37 adjustment made a world of difference.Motor was stock stroke with 320x590 isky cam shaft.Car went from mundane to downright scary out of the hole.I think you are using different manifold than stock too which I have factory edelbrock.If your using wiend or sheet metal manifold I think I saw you post a picture of I am sure your wayyy beyond what I have.I hadn`t found this website when I stumbled upon the squirter difference,magazines wouldn`t tell a whole lot back then either.I did this in early 90`s.With my cam I had to do something to help it out from idle and i had no idea what cam it had cause when I bought car thats what it had and previous owner didn`t know specs.I like your car too,hope this helps....

Re: lm1 users [Re: Jerry] #278670 04/06/09 05:36 PM 04/06/09 05:36 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut OP Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut OP Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	Quote: you want a smaller cam that will lengthen the duraction. also i would try smaller nozzles once the cam is changed. you'll be surprized how much better it will drive without that puff of black smoke out the back everytime you tap the pedal. Jerry, that is the direction i'm heading. wanted to test tonight but its super windy and tornado warnings no puff of black smoke now but it do that last year with way to much pump. i have been taking pump out of it and its at 10 now, it must have been like a 5 last year Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: lm1 users [Re: cudabunch] #278671 04/06/09 05:43 PM 04/06/09 05:43 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut OP Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut OP Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	Quote: Quote: it dips into the 10 when i mash the pedal. i have been testing in DaScreet. a smaller shooter will change the duration of the pump shot but not lessin it. DaSecreet huh, I had Dan order me a 3-X manifold just to stay ahead. thats a big intake. if i ran just 2 acc pumps, i would want that one too Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

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