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You can read the article here

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The article starts out with "ONE STUPID MISTAKE". Don't condemn the lift for a human mistake.


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Re: One reason why I prefer drive on lifts NOT Mopar related [Re: John_Kunkel] #2784084
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"A dealership was servicing a Torch Red C8"

"Servicing"? It looks like the whole front of the car is pulled off? "Overhauling" this Blunder Motors admission of failure to European Autos is more like it.

Has new c8 but can't put a roof on his garage?

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Re: One reason why I prefer drive on lifts NOT Mopar related [Re: John_Kunkel] #2784112
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The C8 has specific lift points which must be used unless you're interested in body work practice. The customer wants a new car, I don't know how it's going to work out.


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Re: One reason why I prefer drive on lifts NOT Mopar related [Re: Grizzly] #2784126
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Was this guy living in detroit? Ghetto houses, caddy in driveway.


Originally Posted by Grizzly
"A dealership was servicing a Torch Red C8"

"Servicing"? It looks like the whole front of the car is pulled off? "Overhauling" this Blunder Motors admission of failure to European Autos is more like it.

Has new c8 but can't put a roof on his garage?



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Originally Posted by 3hundred
The C8 has specific lift points which must be used unless you're interested in body work practice. The customer wants a new car, I don't know how it's going to work out.


He'll get it.


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Re: One reason why I prefer drive on lifts NOT Mopar related [Re: not_a_charger] #2784153
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The C8 has specific lift points which must be used unless you're interested in body work practice. The customer wants a new car, I don't know how it's going to work out.


He'll get it.


From the dealer that damaged it? I know he wants the new one when it comes out, can't remember the designation, ZO6?


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Originally Posted by 3hundred
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The C8 has specific lift points which must be used unless you're interested in body work practice. The customer wants a new car, I don't know how it's going to work out.


He'll get it.


From the dealer that damaged it? I know he wants the new one when it comes out, can't remember the designation, ZO6?


The dealer that damaged it. The Vette that was dropped is totaled. They, and their insurance company, only owe him Actual Cash Value. From the dealer's standpoint, if anyone there has 2 brain cells to rub together, the damage to their reputation that they will suffer because of this if they don't replace it is not worth the few bucks they would save by not doing so. Huge PR win if the dealer just replaces it with a new one with the same options, but if he didn't have a Z06 before, they shouldn't give him a new Z06. They can, I suppose, but they shouldn't, and they likely won't. Just give him the same model that he had.


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Re: One reason why I prefer drive on lifts NOT Mopar related [Re: Grizzly] #2784204
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Originally Posted by Grizzly
"A dealership was servicing a Torch Red C8"

"Servicing"? It looks like the whole front of the car is pulled off? "Overhauling" this Blunder Motors admission of failure to European Autos is more like it.

Has new c8 but can't put a roof on his garage?



Uh, let's check ourselves here dude. Say what you want about the dudes roof, but did you happen to take notice to the EpHenry pavers that comprise of the driveway? I'm sure the roof is fine, does it look out of place, probably.

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Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Originally Posted by 3hundred
Originally Posted by not_a_charger
Originally Posted by 3hundred
The C8 has specific lift points which must be used unless you're interested in body work practice. The customer wants a new car, I don't know how it's going to work out.


He'll get it.


From the dealer that damaged it? I know he wants the new one when it comes out, can't remember the designation, ZO6?


The dealer that damaged it. The Vette that was dropped is totaled. They, and their insurance company, only owe him Actual Cash Value. From the dealer's standpoint, if anyone there has 2 brain cells to rub together, the damage to their reputation that they will suffer because of this if they don't replace it is not worth the few bucks they would save by not doing so. Huge PR win if the dealer just replaces it with a new one with the same options, but if he didn't have a Z06 before, they shouldn't give him a new Z06. They can, I suppose, but they shouldn't, and they likely won't. Just give him the same model that he had.


things might get complicated on replacing this car.
from what i have read all new C8 vettes are sold already before they are even built.

article on 2020 vettes allotments sold out


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Re: One reason why I prefer drive on lifts NOT Mopar related [Re: not_a_charger] #2784248
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Originally Posted by not_a_charger
True, but they can give the man a 2021.

That tin roof is fine. Might get noisy in hard rains or gusty winds, but it adds ambiance, right?

It also appears that an employee outed this screwup without the owners knowledge or permission. That right there makes it even more imperative to just order up a '21 however the customer wants, cover all doc and tax fees and hand it over. With a full tank of fuel. As in bend over backwards for the customer to restore goodwill.

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Yeah, that put the dealer in an even more difficult spot for sure. That employee should be fired, if they haven't been already.


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Re: One reason why I prefer drive on lifts NOT Mopar related [Re: Grizzly] #2784294
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Originally Posted by Grizzly
"A dealership was servicing a Torch Red C8"

"Servicing"? It looks like the whole front of the car is pulled off? "Overhauling" this Blunder Motors admission of failure to European Autos is more like it.

Has new c8 but can't put a roof on his garage?



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Re: One reason why I prefer drive on lifts NOT Mopar related [Re: Spaceman Spiff] #2784456
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So...since I'm lift shopping I'll try to get this thread out of the ditch (jeez fellas)...I have worked under an old school air over hydraulic center post lift, skateboard lift, two post and traditional 4 post drive on lift. We won't even talk about the center post lift, what a nightmare, the skateboard lift was ok unless someone came in with no back brakes and you didn't find out until the car drove off the end of the lift, two posts are ok but the heavier the vehicle the more nervous they made me and I never trusted storing a car under one, just me I guess, which brings us to 4 post...which is what I want...leaning toward Atlas or Bend Pak...and thoughts?


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The "what kind of lift" debate will go on forever but the fact remains that the OP was not the lift's fault. It was human error.


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Re: One reason why I prefer drive on lifts NOT Mopar related [Re: John_Kunkel] #2784599
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Why is that rear lift arm swung out? Should be locks to keep that from happening. Did someone swing that out after the car fell or ???

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Originally Posted by Dcuda69
Why is that rear lift arm swung out? Should be locks to keep that from happening. Did someone swing that out after the car fell or ???


I'm guessing they probably moved it after or else it would have swung out of the way instead of gouging through the body like that.

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Originally Posted by RapidusMaximus
So...since I'm lift shopping I'll try to get this thread out of the ditch (jeez fellas)...I have worked under an old school air over hydraulic center post lift, skateboard lift, two post and traditional 4 post drive on lift. We won't even talk about the center post lift, what a nightmare, the skateboard lift was ok unless someone came in with no back brakes and you didn't find out until the car drove off the end of the lift, two posts are ok but the heavier the vehicle the more nervous they made me and I never trusted storing a car under one, just me I guess, which brings us to 4 post...which is what I want...leaning toward Atlas or Bend Pak...and thoughts?


I have a bend pak and have had it for about 12 or so years. It's used pretty regularly but nothing like a dealership. muffler shop etc. I have had to replace the cables once duer to starting to fray. Also recently had to replace several of the pulleys due to worn bushings, Likely our fault for not keeping them greased spank spank spank

I will say they are proud of their replacement parts. I could have found them cheaper elsewhere but was concerned of the quality of what I might get. beer

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Im not sure I buy the fell off the lift story. The front fascia is off, the front end on stands etc.

To me it looks more like the car was getting work done in the front half, on stands and someone ran the lift up and the arms caught the side of the car. Let's see what damage on the other side.


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That was probably part of the process of getting it untangled from the lift.


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I've been using Challenger 2 post lifts for over 30 years and I really like them. Now the lift that Vette was on was not positioned correctly by the operator (possibly someone who shouldn't be using it ) I have seen that happen before by a careless tech in our shop with a Celica. The car nose dived and when it did the arms went wacky but this was before they had positive locks on the arms. Some guys disable safety features on their lifts because they think it slows them down.

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The dealership hopefully with just make it right with cash or new car or whatever. No BS. Tech or Techs should be held accountable. What I see in my town with dealerships the Techs are off limits to disciplinary action and accountability.


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Originally Posted by 2boltmain
The dealership hopefully with just make it right with cash or new car or whatever. No BS. Tech or Techs should be held accountable. What I see in my town with dealerships the Techs are off limits to disciplinary action and accountability.

He would be paying the deductible where I work and many dealerships have huge deductibles, like $30K. Most guys would just quit at this point and move on.


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Originally Posted by 2boltmain
The dealership hopefully with just make it right with cash or new car or whatever. No BS. Tech or Techs should be held accountable. What I see in my town with dealerships the Techs are off limits to disciplinary action and accountability.

He would be paying the deductible where I work and many dealerships have huge deductibles, like $30K. Most guys would just quit at this point and move on.


Right. Most of the dealerships we encounter at work are essentially self-insured for the vast majority of single vehicle losses due to how high their deductibles are.


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he is entitled to the value of the car before it was damaged, no more


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Originally Posted by 05dakota
he is entitled to the value of the car before it was damaged, no more

I agree, it's not like your car gets destroyed and you get to profit from that, but this seems to be an unusual circumstance. Whereas the value is easy to determine on most new cars, this seems tricky. Let's say he paid $65k for the car. In the skewed market where demand outstrips supply and a new/titled Vette brings more than sticker and there are literally no new 2020's to be bought, how do you think value will be determined? It's an honest question for the insurance professionals on the board.

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With most vehicles if insurance under estimates the replacement cost of your vehicle it's up to you to prove to them what a realistic replacement value is.
In a case like this I would expect the same- that the dealer either replace the car for me or give me a fair value that I could go out and buy another one.

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Originally Posted by 05dakota
he is entitled to the value of the car before it was damaged, no more


We're not talking abut what he's entitled to. We're talking about what the dealership should do, what the smart thing to do would be, what the ethical thing to do would be. Would they be incorrect to pay him the value of the vehicle? No. Would that be a good PR move? No. Is the difference in $$$ between what he's entitled to, and what they should do, worth the return on investment when it comes to PR and goodwill? You'd better believe it is.


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Per GM: We are not going to build all of the 2020 orders," GM spokesman Kevin Kelly said, adding that GM would work with affected customers and dealers to offer a 2021 option.


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Per GM: We are not going to build all of the 2020 orders," GM spokesman Kevin Kelly said, adding that GM would work with affected customers and dealers to offer a 2021 option.

Thats gonna leave a mark. I would not want to be in this dealer's shoes right now.

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i agree.
not only will they they give him a new car to replace this one. they will probably have to compensate him for the log time he won't have a car to drive.

yes it will cost them $$$. but if the dealer has a good customer satisfaction rating they will get everything they spent and more from repeat satisfied customers.


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. . . so will this open the door for the addition of a "Mental anguish/trauma" suit - he will claim his life is being altered and there is unrest and issues at home due to his loss? The loss of his corvette means he is no longer getting laid.


I am not rich...but I get off my ass everyday to make sure I am not broke!

Can we get the Mexican cartels to help us with our supply chain issues? They don't seem to have any trouble getting stuff from one place to another.
Re: One reason why I prefer drive on lifts NOT Mopar related [Re: RobG] #2786506
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the more extreme the owners request for reimbursement the less likely they are to help him.

honestly if this were my car my first request would be another 2020 corvette....even though they are no longer available from gm, if they pony up the $$$ they can be bought for over msrp from flippers.
with it being a new model car in limited production they will be worth $$$ as a collectable car in the future.


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Re: One reason why I prefer drive on lifts NOT Mopar related [Re: Mr T2U] #2786600
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Originally Posted by Mr T2U
the more extreme the owners request for reimbursement the less likely they are to help him.

honestly if this were my car my first request would be another 2020 corvette....even though they are no longer available from gm, if they pony up the $$$ they can be bought for over msrp from flippers.
with it being a new model car in limited production they will be worth $$$ as a collectable car in the future.



iagree This car will be a collectable, probably why GM wouldn't fill all the orders. If it were mine I'd want another one just like it.

Re: One reason why I prefer drive on lifts NOT Mopar related [Re: justinp61] #2786705
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Originally Posted by justinp61
Originally Posted by Mr T2U
the more extreme the owners request for reimbursement the less likely they are to help him.

honestly if this were my car my first request would be another 2020 corvette....even though they are no longer available from gm, if they pony up the $$$ they can be bought for over msrp from flippers.
with it being a new model car in limited production they will be worth $$$ as a collectable car in the future.



iagree This car will be a collectable, probably why GM wouldn't fill all the orders. If it were mine I'd want another one just like it.


Covid took 3 months of production out of the sales plan. In addition, supplier manufacturing in Mexico has limited parts for production. Top selling options have been eliminated on the remaining 2020 build outs.


I am not rich...but I get off my ass everyday to make sure I am not broke!

Can we get the Mexican cartels to help us with our supply chain issues? They don't seem to have any trouble getting stuff from one place to another.
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