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I've been using the mopar black (reuseable?, but I never re-use them) gaskets for years, and for years they always weep, drip, or leak. what's a better gasket that will keep things dry?

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Good question. I have the Mopar gasket on the 727 in my Duster and it has also always weeped a little bit. There is always a drip or two under the car. It doesn't actually leak, it just weeps enough to coat the surface of the pan then once in awhile a drop forms and lands on the floor. About one drop a day. I'm going to try a different gasket too. I'm thinking I'll try the Moroso soft rubber one to see if it seals better with the Moroso aluminum pan that I have.

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Originally Posted by AndyF
Good question. I have the Mopar gasket on the 727 in my Duster and it has also always weeped a little bit. There is always a drip or two under the car. It doesn't actually leak, it just weeps enough to coat the surface of the pan then once in awhile a drop forms and lands on the floor. About one drop a day. I'm going to try a different gasket too. I'm thinking I'll try the Moroso soft rubber one to see if it seals better with the Moroso aluminum pan that I have.
i'll take a look at the moroso. I don't think your suppose to rtv the gaskets; been using hi-tack.

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Hi-Tack has been our choice on the majority of gaskets on our engines and trans.

I've found if you have pans (aftermarket) that have flat rails, your incidence
of leaks is greatly diminished.

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I reuse the black Mopar one, I have had the pan off & on about 5 times on my A518, dry as can be,


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I've had best luck with Moroso blue rubber with steel core. Fits in all the machining marks and let's you really tighten it down. Just make sure your pan bolts or studs are long enough because it's quite thick.


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The black reuseable Mopar production gasket has torque limiters built in, you can’t overtighten the gasket.
If you truly have a wet pan gasket you either have a leak from something/somewhere else or your pan is not perfectly flat.

Don’t use any sealer on this gasket, it’s not needed.

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Might be a bad front seal or pump bushing. Those oem gaskets are pretty good. work

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I've been thru the cooling lines, valve body seal stuff; etc, it's the pan. I hate going thru a trail and error process with this because it's so messy. when these tranny's were new they had simple cork gaskets and didn't leak all over the place for many miles. maybe we take a simple solution and make it difficult?

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All gasket styles require a flat pan flange.

I’m betting if you take the pan off and lay it on a flat surface you will see out of flat areas, belled bolt hole, etc.

The reason we went from cork to the reuseable was the cork weeped after being in service because it lost compression from shrinkage.

All our warranty pretty much dried up after doing that, pun intended.

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Originally Posted by lewtot184
I've been using the mopar black (reuseable?, but I never re-use them) gaskets for years, and for years they always weep, drip, or leak. what's a better gasket that will keep things dry?


I never had any luck with that gasket. I just use the black rubber gasket that comes with the filter from Advance Auto, no weeping.

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are the bolt holes for the pan blind holes? I haven't had either trans pan off in a couple of years and don't remember.

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Originally Posted by Transman
All gasket styles require a flat pan flange.

I’m betting if you take the pan off and lay it on a flat surface you will see out of flat areas, belled bolt hole, etc.

The reason we went from cork to the reuseable was the cork weeped after being in service because it lost compression from shrinkage.

All our warranty pretty much dried up after doing that, pun intended.
checking for a flat gasket surface will be done. I use the mopar deep pans and i'm careful about over torqueing. using a cast alum pan may hang down a little further than I want but i'll measure for that option.

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X3 on confirming flat rails & as you know side to side torquing & not overtight


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BECAUSE of the PUCKERED pan rails ... I’ve found in the past to just go with a cast aluminum pan

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Originally Posted by lewtot184
are the bolt holes for the pan blind holes? I haven't had either trans pan off in a couple of years and don't remember.


Some are blind and some are not.

Someone else said they were never lucky using this gasket.
Sealing the pan up is not about luck, it’s about being thorough.

It’s been a while since I ran a study at work, but if I recall the pan flange has to be flat within .013”. That means you cannot insert a .013” feeler gauge between the flange and flat surface.

The most common issue with stamped steel pans is when someone has “bell mouthed” the bolt hole areas in the pan.
That usually happens when someone tried to seal the pan up by over torquing the bolts when using a cork or composite gasket.

Again, you can’t over tighten the reuseable gasket because the plastic backbone prevents that. You will strip the case bolts before that happens.

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Originally Posted by Transman
Originally Posted by lewtot184
are the bolt holes for the pan blind holes? I haven't had either trans pan off in a couple of years and don't remember.


Some are blind and some are not.

Someone else said they were never lucky using this gasket.
Sealing the pan up is not about luck, it’s about being thorough.

It’s been a while since I ran a study at work, but if I recall the pan flange has to be flat within .013”. That means you cannot insert a .013” feeler gauge between the flange and flat surface.

The most common issue with stamped steel pans is when someone has “bell mouthed” the bolt hole areas in the pan.
That usually happens when someone tried to seal the pan up by over torquing the bolts when using a cork or composite gasket.

Again, you can’t over tighten the reuseable gasket because the plastic backbone prevents that. You will strip the case bolts before that happens.
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I use the reusable mopar one when I drop my pans and never had a problem. The parts guy at the dealer didn't even need the part number. Every time I've gotten one I walked in and told them what I was after and even saying 727 he walked back and grabbed it without even looking it up.

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Originally Posted by Transman
The black reuseable Mopar production gasket has torque limiters built in, you can’t overtighten the gasket.
If you truly have a wet pan gasket you either have a leak from something/somewhere else or your pan is not perfectly flat.

Don’t use any sealer on this gasket, it’s not needed.


I’ve reused the one n my 47RE at least four times. I’ve also reused the one on my 727 w/t 47RE pan several times. 125 inch lbs.... no leaks ever! Lucky me!!

That gasket and the chevy style umbrella seal for the dipstick tube were great advancements in torqueflight sealing

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Originally Posted by Transman
Originally Posted by lewtot184
are the bolt holes for the pan blind holes? I haven't had either trans pan off in a couple of years and don't remember.


Some are blind and some are not.

Someone else said they were never lucky using this gasket.
Sealing the pan up is not about luck, it’s about being thorough.


It’s been a while since I ran a study at work, but if I recall the pan flange has to be flat within .013”. That means you cannot insert a .013” feeler gauge between the flange and flat surface.

The most common issue with stamped steel pans is when someone has “bell mouthed” the bolt hole areas in the pan.
That usually happens when someone tried to seal the pan up by over torquing the bolts when using a cork or composite gasket.

Again, you can’t over tighten the reuseable gasket because the plastic backbone prevents that. You will strip the case bolts before that happens.


I didn't say I was never lucky, I said I never had any luck with it, meaning it wept on every pan I used it on. I run the bolts up snug then go corner to corner and around torqueing the bolts to 150 inch pounds. The rubber gaskets I've used have been done using the same method and haven't wept.

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The basic thing is make sure the pan rail is flat because the bolt holes get pulled up and then the pan won't seal.. They get warped over time. I have used the reusable gasket a number of times and never had a seepage issue. Didn't use sealer either.

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I had a Fairbanks cast alum pan on my CARS and many of my rebuilds and NEVER had a leak problem with a cork gasket ......,,

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The pan bolts are torqued to INCH POUNDS ... up

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